tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post1449085932935862844..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: March 5, 1971 Oakland Auditorium, Oakland, CA Huey Newton Birthday Celebration with The Grateful DeadCorry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80121991369608465702023-10-04T20:01:15.097-07:002023-10-04T20:01:15.097-07:00There seems to be alot of confusion on this show.I...There seems to be alot of confusion on this show.It was at the Market St.Carousel Ballroom.Fillmore West location.More bands opened.Hot Tuna played right before the Dead.It was late when the Dead started.Bill Graham came out and said we were all now at a private party and if you went out you couldn't come back in.I loved it.Jerry was playing "The Peanut"guitar.I thought it looked like some weird Epiphone.That guitar was SWEET.I think this was the first time I ever heard Jerry really get on a wah wah pedal.When I walked out completely straight I was really high on the music and everything.As I walked home to my groovy pad at Hyde and Eddy the sun was just rising.MMK.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-29881131850323947902020-04-04T12:37:25.291-07:002020-04-04T12:37:25.291-07:00and yes, it was strangeand yes, it was strangegrettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17607297478920594066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-64838006215754738712020-04-04T12:37:02.375-07:002020-04-04T12:37:02.375-07:00I was there! It was my first show.I was there! It was my first show.grettahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17607297478920594066noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-54533844416676165232019-03-03T08:12:36.237-08:002019-03-03T08:12:36.237-08:00Since it's discussed here and it has just come...Since it's discussed here and it has just come up in an online discussion, I'd note that despite the poster saying 1970, the Airwaves Benefit at the "Carousel" was definitely 3/3/71.<br /><br />! expost: "Wavy Gravy", Good Times, March 12, 1971, p. 15.<br />Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-1153767353358147692017-12-04T20:04:23.454-08:002017-12-04T20:04:23.454-08:00Just to put in my 2 cents, I also attended the Mar...Just to put in my 2 cents, I also attended the March 5 Panther event and my recollections are slightly different in some respects from the others. It was long ago and each mind remembers differently. It was a purely political event and I was under the impression was the event was to honor Huey Newton. My recollection is that the auditorium was packed with Panthers and community supporters and there were few white faces in the crowd. Security was indeed tight for the event and every person was patted down regardless of affiliation, which would likely have included the members of the Dead and their crew. It was not much more than being patted down for something as bulky as a gun. The Panther leadership had good reasons to be cautious in those days. It was an evening of revolutionary speeches but he main event in my memory was after the last speaker when a large procession of children carrying flowers passed through the auditorium to the stage and placed the bouquets around Huey Newton in a rather solemn tribute to him following his release from his long incarceration (Free Huey!). The program was ended and entertainment by the Grateful Dead was announced. At this point it most of the attendees left the auditorium, and a small crowd of mostly white faces remained for the show. It wasn't a surprise to me that the overwhelmingly black supporters of the Panthers simply were not into the Dead. I might be mistaken about the those who remained for the show but I came away with the impression that there were not many black people listening to the Dead. It is possible, like one poster remarked that there were many who remained towards the back of the auditorium. I do remember feeling like I had won the lottery or something close to it -- to be in such a small crowd gathered close to the stage watching the Dead play. After the last number, one of the Dead introduced Ken Kesey, who was for an instant bathed in a spotlight. At that, Kesey headed for the nearest exit and the show was over.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479070046066511059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-22698220456330699702017-12-04T20:02:43.609-08:002017-12-04T20:02:43.609-08:00Just to put in my 2 cents, I also attended the Mar...Just to put in my 2 cents, I also attended the March 5 Panther event and my recollections are slightly different in some respects from the others. It was long ago and each mind remembers differently. It was a purely political event and I was under the impression was the event was to honor Huey Newton. My recollection is that the auditorium was packed with Panthers and community supporters and there were few white faces in the crowd. Security was indeed tight for the event and every person was patted down regardless of affiliation, which would likely have included the members of the Dead and their crew. It was not much more than being patted down for something as bulky as a gun. The Panther leadership had good reasons to be cautious in those days. It was an evening of revolutionary speeches but he main event in my memory was after the last speaker when a large procession of children carrying flowers passed through the auditorium to the stage and placed the bouquets around Huey Newton in a rather solemn tribute to him following his release from his long incarceration (Free Huey!). The program was ended and entertainment by the Grateful Dead was announced. At this point it most of the attendees left the auditorium, and a small crowd of mostly white faces remained for the show. It wasn't a surprise to me that the overwhelmingly black supporters of the Panthers simply were not into the Dead. I might be mistaken about the those who remained for the show but I came away with the impression that there were not many black people listening to the Dead. It is possible, like one poster remarked that there were many who remained towards the back of the auditorium. I do remember feeling like I had won the lottery or something close to it -- to be in such a small crowd gathered close to the stage watching the Dead play. After the last number, one of the Dead introduced Ken Kesey, who was for an instant bathed in a spotlight. At that, Kesey headed for the nearest exit and the show was over. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479070046066511059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-28407072740028233532017-12-04T20:02:41.789-08:002017-12-04T20:02:41.789-08:00Just to put in my 2 cents, I also attended the Mar...Just to put in my 2 cents, I also attended the March 5 Panther event and my recollections are slightly different in some respects from the others. It was long ago and each mind remembers differently. It was a purely political event and I was under the impression was the event was to honor Huey Newton. My recollection is that the auditorium was packed with Panthers and community supporters and there were few white faces in the crowd. Security was indeed tight for the event and every person was patted down regardless of affiliation, which would likely have included the members of the Dead and their crew. It was not much more than being patted down for something as bulky as a gun. The Panther leadership had good reasons to be cautious in those days. It was an evening of revolutionary speeches but he main event in my memory was after the last speaker when a large procession of children carrying flowers passed through the auditorium to the stage and placed the bouquets around Huey Newton in a rather solemn tribute to him following his release from his long incarceration (Free Huey!). The program was ended and entertainment by the Grateful Dead was announced. At this point it most of the attendees left the auditorium, and a small crowd of mostly white faces remained for the show. It wasn't a surprise to me that the overwhelmingly black supporters of the Panthers simply were not into the Dead. I might be mistaken about the those who remained for the show but I came away with the impression that there were not many black people listening to the Dead. It is possible, like one poster remarked that there were many who remained towards the back of the auditorium. I do remember feeling like I had won the lottery or something close to it -- to be in such a small crowd gathered close to the stage watching the Dead play. After the last number, one of the Dead introduced Ken Kesey, who was for an instant bathed in a spotlight. At that, Kesey headed for the nearest exit and the show was over. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03479070046066511059noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-87966766363602504392016-02-18T23:58:43.864-08:002016-02-18T23:58:43.864-08:00Glad you could check it out! It must have been an ...Glad you could check it out! It must have been an uncomfortable (but short) evening for band and audience.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-10845433887534220562016-02-18T16:08:43.656-08:002016-02-18T16:08:43.656-08:00Ok, I coughed it up and it finally arrived. It is ...Ok, I coughed it up and it finally arrived. It is a fairly interesting audio snapshot of the event, but there's no Grateful Dead, or even mention of them.<br /><br />The disc is 35:45 long.<br /><br />Track 1 (7:02) is a brief introduction of the history of the Black Panther Party by Elaine Brown, who introduces Huey Newton. Huey speaks all the way through Track 2 (6:03). Honestly, it's sad to say that his remarks are still relevant.<br /><br />Track 3 (11:40) has more introductions, and then at about 5:30, the band Vanguard are introduced, playing rather loose 60s Oaktown soul (think Tower Of Power, but not as tight). The Lumpen are introduced, who appear to be a choir<br /><br /><br />Track 4 (11:00) begins with an Invocation by the Rev Charles Bronson (no, not the actor), the transcript of which can be seen here: <br />http://femmefluff.tumblr.com/post/111287876869/rev-charles-bronson-gives-the-invocation<br />backed by The Vanguard<br /><br />From about 6:10 onward there is more music by The Vanguard and The Lumpen<br /><br />All in all pretty interesting. I assume the Grateful Dead came on after all of that. Not your typical Grateful Dead event.<br />Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-28186359804732036522016-01-28T16:19:44.366-08:002016-01-28T16:19:44.366-08:00What on earth? Anyone want to check it out for $17...What on earth? Anyone want to check it out for $17.95? <br /><br />While I doubt any of the Dead's show is on this half-hour tape, it might offer some insight into the event. Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-67844926588268721642016-01-28T13:36:43.543-08:002016-01-28T13:36:43.543-08:00This is interesting. Pacifica Recording Archives ...This is interesting. Pacifica Recording Archives lists a 30 minute KPFA recording they have (Duplication cost $17.95)from this benefit.<br /><br />http://pacificaradioarchives.org/recording/bb5405<br /><br />Description: <br /><br />On March 5, 1971, the Black Panther Party held an event at the Oakland Auditorium called "Revolutionary International Day of Solidarity" for Bobby Seale, Ericka Huggins, Angela Davis, and Ruchell Magee, and also to honor Party Minister of Defense Huey P. Newton on his release from prison. Huey P. Newton was the featured speaker. This event advertised an appearance by Kathleen Cleaver, too, but the female voice on this recording was noted by the recorder as being Elaine Brown. The event also included live performances by the Reverend Charles Bronson, the Grateful Dead, The Lumpen, and The Vanguards, some of which appear on this recording.<br /><br />I wonder if anyone has checked into this to see if any of the Dead portion appears on the recording.IMPigpenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12713574852605473508noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11059654184012032722013-06-04T12:33:48.458-07:002013-06-04T12:33:48.458-07:00I was also at the Black Panther Benefit show on 3/...I was also at the Black Panther Benefit show on 3/5/71. I was tripping pretty heavily and it was a long time ago but I will share what I remember. I was a student at UC Berkeley at the time and went with a girl from my apartment building. We split a tab of acid and drove down to Oakland. The room was very large and pretty empty; there were only a couple of hundred people there. The only song I remember them performing was “Lovelight”. Maybe because I had never heard them play it before I thought it sounded pretty good. The performance was short, less than an hour and as soon as they were done, we split. The Panther contingent was not interested in the music but I didn’t get any ill feelings from them. Paul AyersAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-14765976214030179612013-02-20T11:29:39.392-08:002013-02-20T11:29:39.392-08:00I've seen quite a few '60s musicians use t...I've seen quite a few '60s musicians use the term, not in a derogatory fashion; so I gather it was acceptable within that scene, but soon went out of style.<br /><br />More to add to the list: <br />Lightnin' Hopkins - Fillmore 10/21-22/66 <br />And the 9/11/66 Both/And Jazz Club benefit at the Fillmore, in which several jazz bands & Big Mama Thornton opened for several SF rock bands.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-5931920713785329362013-02-20T09:45:50.081-08:002013-02-20T09:45:50.081-08:00I realize that it was 1967, but reading a quote fr...I realize that it was 1967, but reading a quote from Jerry where he casually uses a word like spade is quite jarring. I understand that colored was still used back then but I didn't know that spade was ever anything but a racial slur.Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07231522886424791492noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80818428555193426412013-02-19T22:38:51.691-08:002013-02-19T22:38:51.691-08:00I wondered about that, too.
Since the interview w...I wondered about that, too. <br />Since the interview was in March 1967, he was probably referring to shows in 1966. <br /><br />The Job Corps show may be untraceable - perhaps that was some local benefit or free show. But when he says the Dead played in an R&B-type show with black artists, it must be one of the Fillmore events, or at any rate some show known by a poster. <br /><br />By far the most likely candidate, I think, is the 11/20/66 SNCC benefit with the James Cotton Blues Band, and Johnny Talbot & De Thangs. Jon Hendricks was an MC, and Stokely Carmichael also appeared, so I believe this event may have drawn a large black audience from the area.<br /><br />Other times black artists played on the bill with the Dead up to then (pardon any errors): <br />Big Mama Thornton - Fillmore 12/9-11/66, Freeborn Hall 1/6/67<br />Otis Redding - Fillmore 12/20/66 <br />Junior Wells Blues Band - Fillmore 1/13-15/67<br />Sly & the Family Stone - Fillmore 2/12/67 (the Council for Civic Unity benefit)<br />Otis Rush & his Blues Band - Fillmore 2/24-26/67<br />Chuck Berry, Johnny Talbot - Winterland 3/17-19/67Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-26701360729866968712013-02-19T20:58:26.052-08:002013-02-19T20:58:26.052-08:00LIA, this is a completely fascinating quote. I won...LIA, this is a completely fascinating quote. I wonder what the first two references are referring to? <br /><br />"We've played some pretty hard-edge places too, we played the Job Corps, where it's all spade kids. We played in a spade show, in fact, like a rhythm & blues show."<br /><br />What was the "Job Corps" show? And what R&B revue did the Dead play? Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-3359724628189928182013-02-19T19:34:58.491-08:002013-02-19T19:34:58.491-08:00On the Dead covering R&B songs, Ralph Gleason ...On the Dead covering R&B songs, Ralph Gleason brought up that subject in his 1967 interview with Garcia - <br /><br />Q: This whole business of blues; do you get any heat on the racial question? <br />GARCIA: "No, we haven't... We've played some pretty hard-edge places too, we played the Job Corps, where it's all spade kids. We played in a spade show, in fact, like a rhythm & blues show... I think we were a shock to them, because the music we were playing was heavy blues, certainly heavier than any of the spade guys were doing; they were doing the lighter stuff... There are certain guys who are into the whole black nationalist thing about spade music, and about jazz and so forth, and they say things like, 'Oh, why don't these white boys stop trying to play colored music?' <br />...But I don't feel that's my orientation. The ideas that I've pulled from blues musicians and from listening to blues are from my affection for the blues, which is since I was a kid; and I've been listening to rhythm & blues as long as there's been rhythm & blues around here - that was one of the first kinds of music I was turned on to... <br />I don't feel unnatural [or] uptight about it... The stuff that we're doing, if you look at it, it's got those blues ideas and spade kind of dance ideas and stuff like that, but really musically, in as far as moving yourself goes, those are some groovy ideas and they turn us on. But a lot of other things turn us on as well, any kind of well-performed stuff... <br />Pigpen has his own style, that is perhaps the sum of lots of styles, but it's nonetheless consistently Pigpen. He doesn't, like, flash from James Brown to Smokey Robinson. He stays Pigpen. And that's because his attitude towards the blues [has] been so long and slow, and it's a mellowing process. At the very beginning, his big vocal influence was Lightnin' Hopkins...if he wants to, he can sing exactly like Lightnin' Hopkins, and play the guitar like [him]... But Pigpen has been into that for such a long time that it's no longer an effort, it's no longer something that he tries to do. When we give him a song to sing, it comes out Pigpen's way."Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-48508042512146458462013-02-18T08:08:50.300-08:002013-02-18T08:08:50.300-08:00Dj, thanks so much for the eyewitness account from...Dj, thanks so much for the eyewitness account from this obscure event.<br /><br />A lot of young people in 1971 were supportive of the Black Panthers politically, but would not likely have attended a Panther event in Oakland. Your experience seems to have borne that out. <br /><br />A secondary factor may have been the use of the Oakland Auditorium. Although Deadheads came to know the building well, the old Auditorium had not been used for rock shows for a number of years ('67 is the last I can think of), so any Deadheads outside of Oakland probably had no idea where it was. In fact, it is in a nice location on Lake Merritt, but fans didn't know that, and it would have added to the uncertainty.<br /><br />For all of the Dead and Pigpen's love of early 60s R&B, its true they didn't really play in that style (however much it was inspired by R&B), so I can see how "Turn On Your Lovelight" would have come off as decidedly unfunky.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-31753973213668759672013-02-18T00:14:17.897-08:002013-02-18T00:14:17.897-08:00I can offer a first hand report on the Panther ben...I can offer a first hand report on the Panther benefit, and an explanation for why there seem to be few of the same: it seems that the overlap between Panther supporters and Dead fans was not large, and certainly smaller than the Panthers expected, since the turnout was a only in the low hundreds. Most of the audience were Panthers, with a small hippy SDS contingent, my friends and I. It's also possible that the Panthers' forbidding reputation in the Bay Area at the time had some negative influence (touched on in the recent Michael Chabon novel, "Telegraph Avenue". The only memory I have of the evening is of the Dead's set (no memories of the Lumpen and the Vanguard). I still remember the embarrassment I felt for the Dead as their shambling approximations of "Midnight Hour" and "Lovelight", characterized by Pigpen's faux black man delivery, failed to connect at all. I remember thinking the band had to know that any black cover would be compared to the originals, probably well known to most of the Panthers. "Lovelight" was especially grievous in comparison to the razor sharp groove of the Bobby Bland original. The Panthers stood aa a mass at the back of the auditorium, as far as possible from the stage, with the hippy SDS cohort a few feet in front of them, a vast, empty of chasm of space separating our two groups from the band. I think everyone, the band, in particular, was relieved when their set ended. Funny how their loose feel for the backbeat never bothered me as it did that night. It was one of the strangest evenings ever, I'm sure, for the band, and defintely for the few fans that were there.DJ Gearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16055129946517019879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-68261721054371879922012-03-03T12:02:11.801-08:002012-03-03T12:02:11.801-08:00I'm not sure why the 3/3/71 tape is always sho...I'm not sure why the 3/3/71 tape is always shown as two sets. Its a short show at a benefit and as there's no verbal mention of taking a break, shouldn't we assume its 1 set?Drewhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06149945304285421618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-46066050821772629132010-08-28T15:17:26.726-07:002010-08-28T15:17:26.726-07:00I can say that the march 3, 1971 show is in fact r...I can say that the march 3, 1971 show is in fact real. My mom was at the show and went into labor to have me. She was rushed out to hospital and disappointed that she missed the Dead portion of the show.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00939915806148321241noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-68165743350522065762010-02-19T04:08:50.692-08:002010-02-19T04:08:50.692-08:00I can confirm that the 3/3/71 date is correct desp...I can confirm that the 3/3/71 date is correct despite the mislabeled poster. I did not go but friends did. I believe Hot Tuna (unbilled) played as well.cryptdevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13944617292210813801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-24915190617347591042010-02-17T09:17:02.305-08:002010-02-17T09:17:02.305-08:00The possibility of 3/3/70 is pretty fascinating, a...The possibility of 3/3/70 is pretty fascinating, and I think the date would fit both the touring schedule and the Fillmore West.<br /><br />The 3/3/1971 date comes from the tape, I think. There's a 1971 tape with that date, clearly with 1971 material. What is it? Its kind of a short show, although there are two sets...maybe its the 3/5/71 show?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-78350902551944407182010-02-17T08:28:20.404-08:002010-02-17T08:28:20.404-08:00Actually, the poster for the 3/3 Air Waves benefit...Actually, the poster for the 3/3 Air Waves benefit show has the date March 3, 1970, NOT 1971. You can see it clearly at http://www.deadlists.com/posters/1970s/19700303.html, bottom center of the poster. I'm not sure where the 1971 date came from. I suppose the year could have been printed wrong but I'd be more likely to accept that if it was early January (like putting the wrong year on a check). None of the usual lists have a show listed on 3/3/70 so I'm going to assume the poster is correct and the reported year has been wrong all this time. FWIW, according to one auction site (ha.com) the show was scheduled on short notice.IMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00770956092269600588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-15184421644308942072010-02-15T17:32:29.454-08:002010-02-15T17:32:29.454-08:00Yeah, I have been thinking there should be a "...Yeah, I have been thinking there should be a "Garcia interviews project", inviting folks to digitize their old tapes, etc. Fidelity is so much less an issue with spoken word things, even nth gen tapes would typically be fine.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.com