tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post1555984083008874850..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: April 17-19, 1970, Family Dog On The Great Highway: New Riders Of The Purple Sage/Charlie Musselwhite/Mickey Hart And The Heartbeats with Bobby Ace And The Cards Off The Bottom Of The Deck (Lost And Found Dead)Corry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-40015382597175974092019-08-06T02:06:27.277-07:002019-08-06T02:06:27.277-07:00Thanks for sharing, nice post! Post really provice...Thanks for sharing, nice post! Post really provice useful information!<br /><br />Giaonhan247 chuyên dịch vụ <a href="http://search.wi.gov/cpp/help/urlstatusgo.html?url=https://giaonhan247.vn/cach-order-hang-my.html" rel="nofollow">mua hàng mỹ</a> từ dịch vụ <a href="https://fjb.kaskus.co.id/redirect?url=https://giaonhan247.vn/order-hang-my.html" rel="nofollow">order hàng mỹ</a> hay nhận mua <a href="https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/no_outbounds.php?o=https://giaonhan247.vn/cach-mua-nuoc-hoa-phap-chinh-hang-o-tai-viet-nam.html" rel="nofollow">nước hoa pháp</a> từ website nổi tiếng hàng đầu nước Mỹ <a href="https://boards.fool.com/profileinterview.asp?uid=2033365868&returnurl=https://giaonhan247.vn/cach-mua-hang-tren-ebay.html" rel="nofollow">mua hàng ebay</a> ship về VN uy tín, giá rẻ.thulannguyenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12739173686013878533noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-8683007559046512018-12-27T11:39:07.939-08:002018-12-27T11:39:07.939-08:00Probably Labor Day, 9/4/72 was its last day in ope...Probably Labor Day, 9/4/72 was its last day in operation.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-29426150387957650322018-12-27T11:38:07.226-08:002018-12-27T11:38:07.226-08:00As far as I can tell, the amusement park shut down...As far as I can tell, the amusement park shut down in September 1972.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-33438268263515658872018-12-26T23:32:45.539-08:002018-12-26T23:32:45.539-08:00Good to hear from one who was there!
I also neve...Good to hear from one who was there! <br /><br />I also never heard of Bear being the Family Dog soundman; I don't think he ever was, other than when the Dead played there. <br /><br />Lenny Hart stories are welcome anytime! Anyway, while you're here, do you have any memories of Dead shows at the Family Dog? - unusual guests, sit-ins with others, memorable moments? Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-41922383330330218522018-12-26T23:06:41.232-08:002018-12-26T23:06:41.232-08:00Hi guys. A couple of notes from "one who was ...Hi guys. A couple of notes from "one who was there."<br />I worked at FDGH from a couple months before we opened until Chet could no longer keep pumping money in and the venue passed to other hands.<br />At various times I worked the doors (ticketed and guest list door), swamped out the place, stage managed and announced, assisted with sound reinforcement (PA).<br />[Please don't @ me with little detail questions like "who was playing drums during the after hours jam on Sunday night, the 30th of February. Odds are I do NOT remember.]<br />So, my feedback here:<br />First, a HUGE "thank you" to JGMF for emphasizing the correct venue name. We were always "The Family Dog ON the Great Highway," never "AT."<br />Take a look at any contemporaneous posters and handbills, advertisements, newspaper stories and listings. Nobody ever, in my hearing called us "AT." And we (Chester included) certainly never used that name.<br />I don't know when and where it was coined, but it's been promulgated on the internet in recent years by far too many folks too young to actually remember, but ought to know better, including the "official" custodians of the Dead's tape vault and the folks over at Internet Archive.<br />So, there's that.<br />And Corry, I need to correct you on a couple deets. First, Whitney's Playland at the Beach (commonly known as "Playland" for short) was very much still in operation during the time we were there. Not to put too fine a point on it, but it was the Playland management who leased the 660 Great Highway building to us.<br />And here's the other thing. I'm not sure where the assertion that Bear "was the house soundman" comes from. This is the first time I've ever heard that suggested. Seems like I would remember (for obvious reasons).<br />That's pretty much it. There is a bit more backstory to the Lenny Hart hustle, but that's something for another time and place.beachdog67https://www.blogger.com/profile/09887850845423627424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-4061160324554917082018-11-08T06:42:56.448-08:002018-11-08T06:42:56.448-08:00In comments at my place, LIA says it's not JJ....In comments at my place, LIA says it's not JJ. And, a link to keep things from scattering too much.<br /><br /><a href="http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2018/11/dangerous-looking-young-man-at-edge-of.html" rel="nofollow">http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2018/11/dangerous-looking-young-man-at-edge-of.html</a>Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-76221855940956959762018-11-07T14:32:13.011-08:002018-11-07T14:32:13.011-08:00Jesse JamesJesse JamesCoryhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00663853944900971603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-13694039451691083462018-10-19T17:20:34.906-07:002018-10-19T17:20:34.906-07:00I know I should know, but who is the gunman at the...I know I should know, but who is the gunman at the center of the handbill?<br />Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-27409677439632053152016-02-05T13:04:02.103-08:002016-02-05T13:04:02.103-08:00The photos published with this release are actuall...The photos published with this release are actually from Cincinnati 1970-04-03. We contacted the photographer, Stu Levy, and he confirmed it.ruppi43https://www.blogger.com/profile/02687238969252856314noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-15851988181997302052013-12-03T16:31:54.204-08:002013-12-03T16:31:54.204-08:00I was just opening my package as I read this. Boy,...I was just opening my package as I read this. Boy, if only a cd from every show I write about would arrive in the mail a month afterwards...<br /><br />The photos are great, but I want to know where the rest of the roll is. It would tell us a lot about the show to see the audience, the stage set up and any candid shots.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11664388276238412912013-12-03T16:14:44.231-08:002013-12-03T16:14:44.231-08:00Corry, thanks again for the amazing and timely pos...Corry, thanks again for the amazing and timely post. I have had time to listen to this (once!) and this is profoundly historically interesting stuff. I hope to be able to reply at greater length, some day.<br /><br />I am thrilled to have this release. Thanks to all involved in getting it out. It's quite illuminating.<br /><br />At the risk of sounding like a quibbling picky Deadhead, let me throw out some reactions to the release <i>qua</i> release.<br /><br />First, the metadata around the venue is unfortunate, if not strictly "wrong". I want to reinforce for your readers, Corry, your appelation, which I think is more "correct".<br /><br />The venue given in the release is "Family Dog At The Great Highway". Now, I recognize a certain amount of fluidity in what a place was (or should be) "called" (by whom? in what context? for what purposes? etc.). The pursuit of false precision is ugly. But here I think correct precision is possible.<br /><br />When he first got the lease on the place, Chet Helms held a press conference. Here's what he said:<br /><br /><i>I have applied for and received a dance permit to open at 660 Great Highway –the northernmost building at Playland, formerly a slot car raceway – and I shall call it ‘<b>Family Dog On The Great Highway</b>’.</i> (1)<br /><br />Chet Helms was a man, not an oracle. But this kind of oracular pronunciation, by this particular person, must hold considerable historical weight. The "I shall" seals it for me. I uniformly call it this in all of my data. Again, I recognize that on any given night it might have been called any number of things by any number of people, including Chet, but I think the power of his pronouncement combined with the benefits of systematization around such crucial metadata have to govern us here.<br /><br />Certainly no big deal, but blogs are good for making mountains out of molehills.<br /><br />Second, the packaging is physically sturdy, but the outside art didn't really reproduce in a visually appealing way. The color scheme doesn't work very well for me, the color reproduction is pretty bad, and the skeleton image is blurry (not to good effect). There's nothing thematically original in the imagery. I don't want to be critical of the artist, because I am sure this reflects in some good measure the constraints under which he was working. Things feel a little bit "rushed" to me.<br /><br />I wish they had used the <a href="http://www.deadlists.com/posters/1970s/19700418.html" rel="nofollow">Tuten handbill</a>! I guess I can imagine why that was not possible, but it's a real shame. <br />For me the Tuten is absolutely brilliant and amazing, a real pleasure to ponder.<br /><br /><i>De gustibus non disputandum est</i> and all that, just my perspective.<br /><br />Third, David Lemieux's notes are fine, but I want more (I guess that's why we have you)! I think he appropriately focuses on the historical interest of the event, rather than the quality of the performances. They're more interesting than great, but they're fine. The story of the tapes is cool. I guess I just love this stuff and want more!<br /><br />Fourth the photos, credited to Stu Levy, are amazing. Again: more, please and thank you!<br /><br />Bottom line: really glad to have this ... let's open up those vaults, including pix, recollections, etc. etc.!<br /><br />Reference<br />(1) Blakey, Scott. 1969. The Return of Family Dog. San Francisco Chronicle, unknown date, unknown page. Image at URL http://www.devilskitchenband.com/images/Return%20of%20the%20Family%20Dog-1.jpg, accessed 1/19/2012.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-66705530503438980682013-11-24T22:36:42.649-08:002013-11-24T22:36:42.649-08:00Just Dawson joining in on MAMU & Mama Tried, t...Just Dawson joining in on MAMU & Mama Tried, then; so Nelson didn't come out at all. (Mama Tried is also the New Riders' arrangement.) I can't tell whether Dawson & Weir are both playing acoustics, or just one of them.<br />Nelson would play an increasing role in Dead acoustic sets as the year went on; also, the MAMU & Mama Tried combo got folded into the New Riders' set rather than the acoustic set.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-77311757501101478392013-11-23T21:22:59.017-08:002013-11-23T21:22:59.017-08:00Its still an intriguing quote, I just can't fi...Its still an intriguing quote, I just can't figure out the timingCorry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-79236232198560373022013-11-23T20:51:24.451-08:002013-11-23T20:51:24.451-08:00I guess I was just trying to bring forward another...I guess I was just trying to bring forward another Bear-meets-NRPS datum.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-85691884927490941712013-11-23T16:36:27.681-08:002013-11-23T16:36:27.681-08:00This is one of those frustrating quotes that just ...This is one of those frustrating quotes that just clouds the timeline. The point I take from it is that Spencer heard NRPS play "Dirty Business" and heard a lot of potential in the band. <br /><br />But just to run through the problems: it is persistent NRPS mythology, encouraged by all band members (including JG), that the Riders opened a lot of Dead shows with Phil Lesh on bass, and that simply isn't true. The only time that Phil played with NRPS at the Family Dog when they opened for the Dead was August 29-20, 1969, well before Spencer left the Airplane.<br /><br />Spencer's last gig with the Airplane was February 4, 1970. Most likely Spencer saw NRPS at the Family Dog on March 18, 1970 or else the April shows. March 18 may have had Phil on bass (it is too tangled a subject for a Comment), but Torbert was on board by April. <br /><br />Of course, in any case Spencer didn't play with the New Riders until December 1970 (Dec 12 '70 at Santa Rosa, most likely), which throws his entire account into confusion, as by December Owsley was in jail and the FDGH long closed.<br /><br />"Dirty Business" must have been good, though.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-72810928239544085552013-11-23T10:16:51.094-08:002013-11-23T10:16:51.094-08:00Just came back across this:
Kahlbacher 1974, 14: ...Just came back across this:<br /><br />Kahlbacher 1974, 14: Dryden’s entry into NRPS: “The tune ‘Dirty Business,’ actually, made me join the Riders. I was leaving the Airplane, and McIntyre [sic] and Owsley came down to the big house [the Airplane House] … and said ‘You really should see the New Riders. I think you might be able to help them out’. But I was thinking of producing, not playing. I was tired. I’d been through that before. But I went down to see them [NRPS] at the Family Dog on the beach, on the Great Highway … At the time the drummer for the Riders was Mickey Hart, and they also have Phil Lesh and Jerry Garcia. So the thing was, I wasn’t doing anything, and Mickey was looking for his own trip which culminated in his producing a solo album, Rolling Thunder.”<br /><br />Kahlbacher, Gene. 1974. Aquarian Interview: New Riders of the Purple Sage. Aquarian, January 29 – February 12, 1974, pp. 14, 27, 31.<br /><br /><a href="http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2011/03/reading-notes-kahlbacher-gene-1974.html" rel="nofollow">http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2011/03/reading-notes-kahlbacher-gene-1974.html</a>Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-6789997401290135952013-11-22T20:19:02.211-08:002013-11-22T20:19:02.211-08:00This little Pigpen set also puts some nice context...This little Pigpen set also puts some nice context around Pigpen's apparent duet with John Hammond in Denver the next week.<br /><br /><a href="http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2010/05/gd-at-mammoth-gardens-denver-co-april.html" rel="nofollow">http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2010/05/gd-at-mammoth-gardens-denver-co-april.html</a>Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-87297785899513021202013-11-22T20:02:05.349-08:002013-11-22T20:02:05.349-08:00"it's clear that these shows were indeed ..."it's clear that these shows were indeed practice runs for the upcoming tour."<br /><br />Totally agree.<br /><br />"Garcia switches to electric for Cumberland & New Speedway"<br /><br />Actually, he stays electric for MAMU and Mama Tried.<br /><br />"The New Riders add guitar & harmony to Me & My Uncle and Mama Tried"<br /><br />I only hear Marmaduke. Love these harmonies, BTW. We talk about the acoustic GD and the work they did on harmonies inspired by Croz et al., but clearly Dawson was hanging around with them doing some singing, too. I love these little harmony arrangements.<br /><br />"Phil plays bass (though he's mixed so low I can't tell how many songs he actually plays on)."<br /><br />I tried to listen for this, and I think I heard him on all of the tracks (before Pigpen).<br /><br />"It sounds like Hart is the only drummer."<br /><br />Good to know!<br /><br />"The big change was in the format - up to that point, the acoustic set was about 6 to 8 songs sandwiched between two electric sets. Now it came on its own, was a bit longer, had a couple acoustic/electric hybrid songs, and generally a New Riders guest spot. So I think the intent here was not to work out new material so much as to establish a longer, more self-contained acoustic set."<br /><br />Yes. Excellent, totally agree.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-24586859378139588322013-11-22T15:58:24.160-08:002013-11-22T15:58:24.160-08:00Let me link in the earlier discussions of "8/...Let me link in the earlier discussions of "8/5/70" here:<br /><br /><a href="http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2012/02/new-riders-of-purple-sage-and-acoustic.html" rel="nofollow">http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2012/02/new-riders-of-purple-sage-and-acoustic.html</a>Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-51878213158147904082013-11-22T15:57:00.282-08:002013-11-22T15:57:00.282-08:00LIA, I am going to try to do some A-B listening to...LIA, I am going to try to do some A-B listening to these. I trust your golden ears, but I want to hear for myself.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-54413675036482127422013-11-12T00:22:10.011-08:002013-11-12T00:22:10.011-08:00Aside to an aside: I saw Robben Ford with Miles Da...Aside to an aside: I saw Robben Ford with Miles Davis at the Berkeley Jazz Festival at the Greek Theater in 1986, September, I think. A long way from Ukiah!Andrew Shieldshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02804655739574694901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-70747639079719620952013-11-10T09:38:45.579-08:002013-11-10T09:38:45.579-08:00Bear seemed to be quite subjective in what he chos...Bear seemed to be quite subjective in what he chose to record. He didn't particularly like one of my favorite bands, Arthur Lee and Love, and so we are left to surmise what their performance sounded like on the famous night of 2-11-70 at the Fillmore East. Shame.Blue Heronhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13516946085702606491noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-61800998675049429092013-11-08T18:17:47.894-08:002013-11-08T18:17:47.894-08:00Today was my first complete day off in a while and...Today was my first complete day off in a while and I started it to find the new Dave's Pick, the Record Store Day release, AND a new post on my favorite website in the whole wide world.<br /><br />Thank you as always.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-25298159027985001802013-11-07T21:00:58.438-08:002013-11-07T21:00:58.438-08:00I can't disprove it, but I don't think so ...I can't disprove it, but I don't think so - the audience on "8/5/70" is a lot closer to the mikes than on Family Dog tapes. (But then the mike setup sounds different, too.)<br /><br />By the way, checking the 2/28/70 Family Dog show again, that acoustic set is rapidly aborted after 3 songs - after Black Peter, Garcia & Weir complain to each other. <br />Weir: "I can't get this in tune - I can't hear what I'm playing." <br />Garcia: "OK, it's back to the electric world, everybody can get back up again." <br />So their constant complaints on 4/18/70 can be set against repeated monitor difficulties in early 1970.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-57914826317635965552013-11-07T20:25:44.719-08:002013-11-07T20:25:44.719-08:00In the Fall of '69, the New Riders mostly play...In the Fall of '69, the New Riders mostly played the Matrix and a few other local gigs. Owsley could have come along and taped any of those shows, but he didn't. Now, he may have had other interests or obligations, but the fact that he seems to have never taped the Riders after Sep 18 '69 (unless someone can happily prove me wrong) suggests he wasn't interested enough to leave his Oakland hills house on Ascot Drive to do it.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.com