tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post1762341233792353904..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: Jerry Garcia Band Drummers Top 10 ListCorry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-2677151955755897272022-05-11T12:40:10.360-07:002022-05-11T12:40:10.360-07:00I love "Domino," but I consciously left ...I love "Domino," but I consciously left it off. I decided (at the time I wrote this) that it was less iconic than some of the other things. YMMV, of course, and if I re-wrote I might make a different list.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-53554505222351533932022-05-11T12:31:48.601-07:002022-05-11T12:31:48.601-07:00though maybe he was producing?though maybe he was producing?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80936672728704905922022-05-11T12:31:30.769-07:002022-05-11T12:31:30.769-07:00How about Daoud Shaw on Van's "Domino&quo...How about Daoud Shaw on Van's "Domino"?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-36338492659882922052015-01-04T04:19:32.112-08:002015-01-04T04:19:32.112-08:00Along with Ron Tutt, you know who also is featured...Along with Ron Tutt, you know who also is featured on late 60's/early 70's tracks by Elvis Presley and Cher? Ms. Donna Jean Godchaux. I recently watched the Muscle Shoals movie for the first time and was surprised to see Donna among the interview subjects. Her first studio session/appearance on record? "When a Man Loves a Woman" by Percy Sledge. She was a studio pro, but touring with the Dead warped her/derailed her studio singing career. brianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09929976922537794247noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-46430029485778805692012-04-18T05:59:13.192-07:002012-04-18T05:59:13.192-07:00Well, it si just listening thing... Styles, don...Well, it si just listening thing... Styles, don't know how to call it. It's a different style of playing when you listen shows billed by tutt, kreutzmann or humphrey, and then you can identify them, even if you don't have the info of who were playing... <br />humphrey is from the show were they play "ain't no mountain high enough", for example, lot more faster and virtuoso, in a way...<br /><br />(sorry but my english is not quite the best, i'm still learning it)... saludos from Argentina!Pablushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02789842689201952413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-65995915210152408672011-12-29T20:21:04.115-08:002011-12-29T20:21:04.115-08:00Pablus, the subject of who actually played drums f...Pablus, the subject of who actually played drums for Garcia in mid-74 is a subject of great interest to us. Can you shed some light on why you think its Kreutzmann? Does it sound like him to you, or do you know someone who saw the show? It's a very murky topic.<br /><br />(Since I'm responsible for the Deadbase IX list and hence the Jerry Site personnel listing, I can assure you that the fact that BK is listed on TJS was just a guess on my part).Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-46703077411561905822011-12-29T19:42:01.140-08:002011-12-29T19:42:01.140-08:00No, that's Bill Kreutzmannn on 7/22/74No, that's Bill Kreutzmannn on 7/22/74Pablushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02789842689201952413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-81977774526854734782011-12-18T17:44:05.125-08:002011-12-18T17:44:05.125-08:00Been listening to 7/22/74. I think it is Paul Hump...Been listening to 7/22/74. I think it is Paul Humphrey drumming on the 26-minute excursion through "What's Going On".Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-85546502514617653022011-11-11T08:56:32.292-08:002011-11-11T08:56:32.292-08:00What's Going On was released in 1971, but I lo...What's Going On was released in 1971, but I love the idea of Paul Humphrey playing on the song with Jerry. I wish I could find Greg Errico and Jerry playing "Dance To The Music."Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-46774640468120003702011-11-11T08:51:13.203-08:002011-11-11T08:51:13.203-08:00And if it is from '74, and if Humphrey is pres...And if it is from '74, and if Humphrey is present, that might explain how they got the song together by the day of its release. Maybe he had advance copies or charts or whatever.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-63626202395290170522011-11-11T08:40:59.031-08:002011-11-11T08:40:59.031-08:00It could well have been him drumming on "7/22...It could well have been him drumming on "7/22/74". It could even have been Tony Saunders on bass. I have <a href="http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2010/07/jgms-july-21-22-keystone-berkeley-ca.html" rel="nofollow">argued that the 7/22/74 set sounds a lot like the Aunt Monk/Generosity 1975 stuff</a>, which is compounded by questions around the 7/22/74 dating.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-91687726310254346252011-11-10T21:26:11.421-08:002011-11-10T21:26:11.421-08:00I have to contemplate the symmetry of this--Garcia...I have to contemplate the symmetry of this--Garcia and Saunders jammed on 'What's Going On,' and then hired the drummer a month later.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-70771054490856868332011-11-10T20:43:50.746-08:002011-11-10T20:43:50.746-08:00"I have always thought that it would have mad..."I have always thought that it would have made a great Garcia/Saunders jam, but it was not to be."<br /><br />Au contraire! They did this on "7/22/74".Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-65023718181782296972011-11-10T20:31:53.865-08:002011-11-10T20:31:53.865-08:00I'm not trying to define any causal relationsh...I'm not trying to define any causal relationships here. I'm just presenting the information in a way that indicates not only what a substantial body of work Garcia's drummers had, but how that music was popular and influential to American music listeners, not just record collectors. Musicians, particularly when they are improvising, are the sum of their parts, and Garcia's drummers had sum tasty parts indeed.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-1908846968670053762011-11-10T18:54:37.349-08:002011-11-10T18:54:37.349-08:00Well, this is different!
I'm not sure about t...Well, this is different! <br />I'm not sure about the logic though - for instance, if the music previously played by Jerry's bandmates was implicitly part of his music, does it work in reverse? When Elvis recorded Burning Love with Ron Tutt, was he tapping into the music of Jerry Garcia? <br />The connection these drummers & their studio work had to the Dead's music seems even more tenuous...but that's a minor point!<br /><br />To me, the Kahn connection seems more significant here... Did Jerry choose any of these drummers himself? Or did Kahn, through his own studio contacts, approach the drummers whose work he thought to be the best? (Many of whom, of course, would also have played on some hits.) The musical depth of Garcia's band is very much a testament to the studio-session environment of the times.<br /><br />Another factor is that many of the songs Jerry played were ALSO chosen by Kahn. <br />Drummer David Kemper was asked, "Who usually introduced new songs into the repertoire?" <br />And his answer: "Mainly John Kahn would... He and Jerry would get together and decide. And John would make a tape of it and learn the chord changes and then show us sort of what we were going to do with it."<br /><br />I'd hasten to add that Jerry indeed had a very deep involvement with American popular music - but in the JGB, an involvement that was influenced & shaded by Kahn's own choices. It is interesting to speculate what the JGB would have been like if Kahn had not been part of it... <br /><br />Aside from the extremely long jams or solos, the music of the Dead & the JGB were, contrary to reputation, often inside every kind of mainstream, and devoted to familiar covers. (Perhaps one reason they became so popular!) And even with their original material, the Dead's studio albums very much reflect the pop environment of the years they were made in.<br />Nonetheless, even as their fame grew, somehow they got a reputation as being in opposition to the popular music mainstream... David Kemper had an interesting comment on this: <br /><br />Q: "Did the insularity of the Grateful Dead scene have an effect on your career? Say in terms of getting other work?" <br />DK: "It's funny, you know, for most of my career projects led to other projects. The engineer on one album would mention me to someone on some other album. Word of mouth would get me jobs. The JGB led to nothing. It was real strange. Not that I expected great things to come from it, but nothing at all came from it, and that was weird. I don't know why. Maybe it's the insularity you were talking about...the band had no relevance outside the Grateful Dead 'experience.' I really can't think of any band or project that my work in JGB led to, other than this Dylan gig four years later... A lot of people, musician friends, would ask me what I was doing, and I'd tell them I was in the Jerry Garcia Band, and they'd ask, 'Garcia from the Grateful Dead? I didn't know he had a band.' I was like that myself before John Kahn called me. It's really more insular than I had realized. These were actively working musicians who didn't know Jerry had a band separate from the Grateful Dead. And they'd see me flying up to San Francisco to go on tour with the JGB, and...clearly they had no idea that we'd go out and play for 17,000 people at a time."Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com