tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post2659310358389853055..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: December 31, 1968: Winterland Grateful Dead/Quicksilver Messenger Service/Santana/It's A Beautiful DayCorry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-29609393838696370032023-02-19T12:34:57.218-08:002023-02-19T12:34:57.218-08:00First of all i would like to say that Quicksilver ...First of all i would like to say that Quicksilver is my favourite band. I have never seen them live. I am from Vienna and was in California from 1973-1975. I myself envy you that you have seen the band live so often. If you say that QMS hasn't written any new tracks in the last year, that's probably not entirely true. What about the tittle track happy trails or calcary ? And didn't the Dead play the same tracks again and again during this time, see the set list of 68/69 or I. A. B. Day ? It's possible that you were tired that evening ? And why is the band unhappy ? The band, that was probably already clear, was in the process of disolving. On the other hand you contradict yourself you think it's possible that they were really good like on Hapoy Trails and then everything is not good again. Nobody knows about you. Maybe you were already overtired yourself and simply too spoiled by too much good music ?Josef Kloiberhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03581510783871931029noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-82671990784648007102022-01-28T12:23:17.352-08:002022-01-28T12:23:17.352-08:00Thanks for the eyewitness account. So QMS played a...Thanks for the eyewitness account. So QMS played a set around midnight and a set around 4am? Very informative.<br />Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-39555771786289784402022-01-28T12:19:49.155-08:002022-01-28T12:19:49.155-08:00I found this interesting: "However, while it ...I found this interesting: "However, while it is easy to sentimentalize the final performance of the Quicksilver quartet, in fact they were a tired, unhappy band who had not written or likely even performed a new song in a year. They had been playing the same main numbers over and over for two years, and while they had it down to a powerful formula, it had nowhere left to go. I'm sure that Quicksilver put on a good show New Year's Eve, and it probably sounded like Happy Trails, but only those who were seeing them for the first time would have been really impressed." I was at Winterland that night, and did not realize that this was the last time the original Quicksilver played together. I had seen them many times. What I remember is that they played louder than I had ever heard them -- uncomfortably, uncharacteristically loud, but not especially good -- and my friend Ned and I went up in the balcony to listen. But, yes, they did seem tired that night and we left to head back to Marin during their late set. Maybe around 4 am or so? Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10500264801931831902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-47342636537729693892021-04-26T06:28:27.189-07:002021-04-26T06:28:27.189-07:00That would be interesting. I don't think it ha...That would be interesting. I don't think it has been done at any level of seriousness, no. Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-9429742120450933912021-04-26T01:52:54.195-07:002021-04-26T01:52:54.195-07:00I've always been curious about how blatant pot...I've always been curious about how blatant pot smoking was at different venues over the years. Was it tolerated by Graham and essentially the police at Winterland or the Fillmore(s) West, though a no no at the Fillmore East, as I believe smoking of any kind wasn't allowed there? I may be totally wrong on that. Either way, I'm interested in how toleration and enforcement varied around the country at large over the years, I wonder if anyone has ever written about that in detail? I would imagine it's been done by now.Jim Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775659356285581409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-20875894498293635382020-11-16T03:23:49.900-08:002020-11-16T03:23:49.900-08:00I was confused. Dave Lovell didn't replace Ro...I was confused. Dave Lovell didn't replace Rolie in William Penn, it was the other way around. I think it was because he got my friend's sister pregnant.Bill Nash ("billnashmusic channel" on Youtube)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09463067793213747774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-57040722808855095162020-11-16T03:08:22.355-08:002020-11-16T03:08:22.355-08:00I was at that show. It was great, and the all-nig...I was at that show. It was great, and the all-nighter plus the breakfast cost $8.50, if memory serves. I worked at the Bank of America, and a friend who also worked there (whose aunt owned the Sinaloa Night Club) offered to introduce me to Santana and to jam with the band. I was too intimidated by Carlos' talent, but said I would love to attend a practice with my friend. He asked, but Carlos said they had enough "fans" at their practices, and if I wasn't willing to jam, the invitation was rescinded. My best friend's sister eventually married Dave Lovell (who I went to high school with) who had replaced Gregg Rollie in "William Penn and His Pals," another local Bay Area band, when Rolie joined Santana. Great memory, that concert. Quicksilver was, in my opinion, the best band onstage that night. The breakfast was pretty good as well.Bill Nash ("billnashmusic channel" on Youtube)https://www.blogger.com/profile/09463067793213747774noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-84473023911650045432017-05-05T02:55:50.681-07:002017-05-05T02:55:50.681-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11731389946848970402016-03-20T11:18:43.241-07:002016-03-20T11:18:43.241-07:00How odd that there are two known lost tapes of thi...How odd that there are two known lost tapes of this show! <br />It's possible Barncard taped a different show, though... The Dead played at the Fillmore West on Jan 2-4, 1969, and I suspect it would be easier for him to misremember the date than the venue. Bringing a tape recorder to an all-night New Year's show with bands he hadn't seen before strikes me as a little odd (but possible).Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-7466385576512606362016-03-19T12:57:36.273-07:002016-03-19T12:57:36.273-07:00There was another recording made of the Dead's...There was another recording made of the Dead's set, an audience tape by one Stephen Barncard no less! He remembers it as taking place at the Fillmore but apart from that he definitely seems to be talking about this New Year.<br /><br />"When my girlfriend, Ellen Burke came out to join me for Christmas (1968 in Los Angeles), we got fearful of earthquakes and decided to go back to Kansas City by way of San Francisco. When we got up there, it was really more of what I was looking for. The air was cleaner, the musical atmosphere better — What a city!<br /><br />"During this trip, I saw The Grateful Dead for the first time on New Year's Eve (December 31, 1968) at The Fillmore. I had never liked their records very much. Seeing them live, I went "Woah! Who's that groovy guy with the beard singing St. Stephen and Dark Star. It was great. I actually taped it. I had a little Norelco tape recorder with an SM 57. I guess I was one of the first tapers, it just wasn't a big deal back then, nobody minded. I wish I still had the tape; it was either stolen or lost. Anyway, the show left an impression on me. So did San Francisco. My girlfriend and I went back to Kansas City for a little while, I went back to KUDL/KCJC-FM and then that first CSN record came out."<br /><br />http://wallyheider.com/wordpress/2005/03/barncard-talks-about-his-early-days-at-heiders/#more-10<br /><br />Moving from LA to SF to avoid earthquakes, what was he smoking? Maybe his tape will surface one day.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-38922089715440512182016-03-09T19:58:14.005-08:002016-03-09T19:58:14.005-08:00The Mid-range horns, I forgot all about that, but ...The Mid-range horns, I forgot all about that, but yep he sure did, thanks for bringing that up.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00811125646895540256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-86941063617553899592015-02-26T21:07:13.726-08:002015-02-26T21:07:13.726-08:00Hello all, I'm glad this being spoke about so ...Hello all, I'm glad this being spoke about so many years later. It is a moment in time for myself and many others sure. With a coulple of older guys, my friend with a car <br />and myself, age 16, we set off from San jose arriving a Winterland somewhere around 9pm. Some wine, weed and LSD for takeoff makes who was playing when we just walked though a door by two cops I thought, a wee bit sketchy but the vibe was perfect. To this I still retain the perception of seeing Janis Joplin trading swigs with a cop or security person in front of the stage, stage left. Maybe! But later when my brain I definetly one donkey or horse carrying a rider in a diaper, positively! Later I read in A Rolling Stone that it wears Bill Graham himself. And my recollection is that after the New Years celebration Quicksilver Messenger Service kicked off with "All I Ever Wanted To Do Was Love You", it was my first Grateful Dead show with so much more. Finally got shirt from the vault which I gave to my daughter who saw them when she was four and about a month before Jerry passed. What a long strange trip indeed, thank you for the bits and pieces.<br />Raymond Arechiga Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07029241488684932739noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-28005430026744106922014-10-21T17:12:32.234-07:002014-10-21T17:12:32.234-07:00Jessie, it would be great if there actually turned...Jessie, it would be great if there actually turned out to be a photo of this seemingly mythical event.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-58216581437760320162014-10-21T07:44:23.646-07:002014-10-21T07:44:23.646-07:00I believe there is a photo in rolling stone issue ...I believe there is a photo in rolling stone issue 717 of the horse in the crowd. I'm still trying to track it down.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04956057477106023488noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-50414934858047331352013-07-21T09:20:02.603-07:002013-07-21T09:20:02.603-07:00Don, thank you so much for this. I had thought tha...Don, thank you so much for this. I had thought that they would have had to go twice around the bands. <br /><br />Santana had definitely been signed by December 1968 and had already started recording. Graham may have jumped the gun on assuming a release, but they were definitely talking about it.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-76730052118280654232013-07-21T09:15:32.745-07:002013-07-21T09:15:32.745-07:00Long time ago, drove up from Berdoo to catch the s...Long time ago, drove up from Berdoo to catch the show. So as I remember it the house was packed, audience was stoned on LSD (being passed around by the handful!) and of course weed. Memory is bad and I had just turned 16. So with faulty memory here it is. Show started with It’s a Beautiful Day, thing I remember was the electric violin. Next was Santana (or were they first?) Bill Graham mentioned they would be releasing their first album soon (definitely mentioned that). The cowbell the drummer played was unique and of course Carlos was phenomenal, very polished band! Then came Quick Silver (by now I’m wasted on LSD and trying to get off the balcony fearful of a fatal fall). Next come the Dead, they play their set and things slowed a bit, but the house was alive and the party on, all very cool. Then the two old dudes, black and white on horses in diapers, soon to be naked. Some doves were released and then all bands did a jam session. Another round of bands, perhaps Santana went before Beautiful Day, anyway then Quicksilver, then close with the Dead. Well by now it had been an all-night affair and most people were pretty well exhausted. Breakfast was then had by all brought by a local organization (the Diggers?) buffet style and it was good, very good. Don’t know what time it was but exiting Winterland it was morning, weather was nice, as I remember it unseasonably warm. For me next stop was Golden State Park, seemed a lot of the crowd was there.<br />Now back to the midnight jam, god I could be wrong but I thought it was Turn on Your Lovelight that was jammed, but I’m not sure, so much of the night was a blur of music, people and drugs. Maybe the Dead closed with Lovelight as was their habit at the time. <br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00811125646895540256noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-32936765823462647172013-06-15T00:45:08.125-07:002013-06-15T00:45:08.125-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-13085655191438693772012-07-28T17:33:11.219-07:002012-07-28T17:33:11.219-07:00Excellent detective work, all! Very interesting st...Excellent detective work, all! Very interesting stuff. According to Bill Graham's autobiography "Bill Graham Presents," it was Fillmore stage manager Jim Haynie who played the role of New Year's Baby wearing a diaper beginning on 12/31/66, for the next 10-15 years, and would usually throw his diaper into the crowd once he got off the horse and hit the stage. There is also a photo of the 12/31/66 show in this book, with members of the Dead, Airplane, and QMS all onstage together. <br /><br />In photographer Gene Anthony's book "The Summer of Love," there are 2 pages of photos of Haynie riding the horse through the Winterland crowd with a spotlight on him. In one photo he is standing up on the horse with outstretched arms, diaper and all. It doesn't say what year the photos were taken, but I assume it's 12/31/66 since the book covers the time period between November 65 - January 67, as stated in the intro. <br /><br />For QMS fans, there is a recording of the 12/31/67 Winterland show out there on the web. Not the best sound quality, can't tell if it's an AUD or SBD (probably AUD), but it's an interesting document for the time.<br /><br />There is a color photo of the Dead onstage from 12/31/68 in the book "Grateful Dead Built To Last 1965-90." TC is in the photo.<br /><br />ChicoArchivist, "Treat" is a great song. According to the liner notes of the Columbia release "Santana Live at the Fillmore '68," the song used to be called "Trick or Treat" and "Treat or Trickster." Carlos states, "At that time there was a festival called Trip or Freak at Winterland. The title of the song comes out of that."Moochmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15042649208028302176noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-47146153562871910372012-06-08T23:42:47.336-07:002012-06-08T23:42:47.336-07:00"Treat" is my favorite Santana song. I ..."Treat" is my favorite Santana song. I have long wondered if the title had something to do with Treat Avenue/Street in the Mission district. If they used to rehearse in a warehouse there, it means it probably does. Man, that would've been a great place to be.ChicoArchivisthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18254408234159259004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-55233828247630227302012-06-08T21:00:41.078-07:002012-06-08T21:00:41.078-07:00Wow, if the Dead had to play from about 12:30 till...Wow, if the Dead had to play from about 12:30 till daylight (or even half that time), at the point when their repertoire was the smallest it's ever been, it's no wonder they had to play Midnight Hour "all night" or Lovelight went on "forever!" <br />By the time breakfast rolled around, everyone must've been even more fried than the pancakes...Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-21876010576292711092012-06-07T20:23:04.335-07:002012-06-07T20:23:04.335-07:00I was at that NYE concert. I thought Quicksilver w...I was at that NYE concert. I thought Quicksilver was on stage at midnight and the Dead played from about 12:30 till daylight when the Diggers put on a free pancake breakfast. Turn on Your Love Light seemed to go on forever..I also recall a 15 minute bass solo somewhere in the Dead's set.<br />Quicksilver was great with John Cippolina playing through his mid-range horns instead of speakers to get his patented sound. I used to go to a warehouse on Treat Street where Santana and It's a Beautiful Day rehearsed-one of my pals was living in a loft there. Saw Santana play as the Santana Blues Band at the Straight Theater on Haight in '68. Saw Allman Joy,(the Allman Bros.) there too. I sure got to see tons of wonderful music during my 16-18th years in SF. Wouldn't trade 'em for anything!jacklavinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17244412859802533004noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-8367658141099657232012-01-03T15:12:57.315-08:002012-01-03T15:12:57.315-08:00A fascinating detail. NYE 68 would have been Micke...A fascinating detail. NYE 68 would have been Mickey's first as a member of the Dead, a point that eluded me until you found this quote. <br /><br />Of course, to Barry Melton's point, it may have just seemed like 'all night,' but it's interesting that it stuck in his mind so many years later.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-57539326339405862072012-01-03T13:43:51.755-08:002012-01-03T13:43:51.755-08:00Someone get a hold of Mickey! Seems he remembers t...Someone get a hold of Mickey! Seems he remembers the show. From a recent Relix interview:<br /><br />Relix: What is your favorite holiday show as a fan or performer?<br />Mickey: The Grateful Dead, New Year’s Eve, 1968/1969 New Year’s Eve. We had all the guitarists and drummers in San Francisco onstage and played “Midnight Hour” all night.<br /><br />http://www.relix.com/features/2011/12/07/happy-holidays-from-mike-gordon-mickey-hart-al-schnier-and-tom-blankenship?2Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-74093724453932347332012-01-01T18:48:12.381-08:002012-01-01T18:48:12.381-08:00The QMS memory is a fascinating detail indeed. It ...The QMS memory is a fascinating detail indeed. It would certainly change my speculative schedule of the evening. Maybe the Dead played before QMS? It would explain why they didn't play Midnight Hour at midnight.<br /><br />It just shows that I was falling prey to the assumption that what happened in the 70s had always happened. There was no reason that QMS couldn't be the midnight band (I think the song was "Dino's Song").Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80119327534090153692012-01-01T17:16:53.059-08:002012-01-01T17:16:53.059-08:00I found the following comment on an Archive review...I found the following comment on an Archive review of the 11/6/68 studio tape (of all things) - <br />"I was at the New Year's Eve, 12/31/1968 show at Winterland. Donkey and diapered New Year Baby Bill Graham coming in before Quicksilver opened with "All I Ever Wanted to Do Was Love You" after midnight."<br /><br />If an accurate memory, it means Quicksilver was the midnight band!<br /><br />Someone reviewing the date on setlists.net said he was there and it was a very energetic show; his email is available (perhaps even still current) though I haven't tried writing it... Someone on dead.net also said they saw this show - though irritatingly, said nothing at all about it, except that they didn't know who the Dead were and went to this show only because they couldn't get a ticket to see Vanilla Fudge at the Fillmore!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com