tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post2806900858775597520..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: The Matrix, San Francisco February 1969 High Country with Jerry Garcia and David NelsonCorry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-70185937567808711572023-08-18T20:52:41.619-07:002023-08-18T20:52:41.619-07:00That is glorious to hear - thank you all!That is glorious to hear - thank you all!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-70442177027527243502023-08-17T16:10:54.949-07:002023-08-17T16:10:54.949-07:00Also my dad has some tapes he recorded of the dead...Also my dad has some tapes he recorded of the dead from way back when he lived at front st in his bus as security. He'd go to there gigs and record the band on his reel to reel. Gigs nobody has or heard. I am helping him digitize them and upload to archive.org.Simon Babbsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-10235789932374514412023-08-17T16:07:05.968-07:002023-08-17T16:07:05.968-07:00MG brought me some reel to reel tapes back in 98 a...MG brought me some reel to reel tapes back in 98 at Intrepidtrips and asked me to make CD's of them. It was a box of tapes she found in Jerry's closet. Some where from the matrix for sure. Quality not that great. Best one was from July 16th, 1970 Euphoria ballroom san rafel two track 7.5ips, Bears going away party the lost set 2. Set one Janis sings lovelight with pig. It is on archive.org now. Not sure what happened to the tapes MG has. I will ask her next time I see her.Simon Babbsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-44460495359089356292020-10-05T13:16:08.296-07:002020-10-05T13:16:08.296-07:00Thanks very much for the timely reply.Thanks very much for the timely reply.abigjilmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15157592322626676964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-31604556673110461412020-10-04T14:11:55.377-07:002020-10-04T14:11:55.377-07:00No. In fact, in an email exchange I had with Sandy...No. In fact, in an email exchange I had with Sandy (some years ago) he identified the various players, so there isn't any doubtCorry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-23931380591201783362020-10-03T17:14:17.719-07:002020-10-03T17:14:17.719-07:00Is it possible that Sandy Rothman was a player for...Is it possible that Sandy Rothman was a player for this performance?abigjilmhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15157592322626676964noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11715132735965511412013-02-26T22:40:04.889-08:002013-02-26T22:40:04.889-08:00yep...I think it's David Nelson, not CW....wis...yep...I think it's David Nelson, not CW....wishful thinking and all that!!!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01101800376091038428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-83169653689443790912013-01-18T01:36:01.586-08:002013-01-18T01:36:01.586-08:00Whoa! That would be something....the only Jerry/Cl...Whoa! That would be something....the only Jerry/Clarence session on tape. <br />I'm not so sure it's Clarence, though. It's very doubtful, for a few reasons: <br /><br />There are only three guitar 'solos' in the tape that I've found - Soldier's Joy, a short one in Swing Low, and Bluegrass Breakdown - good, fluent flatpicking. <br />In all the other tracks, the guitar plays strictly support & never solos. <br />It would be insane to have Clarence White sit in and only give him a couple solos; but I wonder whether the membership on this tape is fluid...if different people are playing guitar on different songs. (It moves around in the mix, too.) <br />I couldn't tell. If there are two banjos in the last 2 tracks (which are unfortunately in mono), that would support the idea that this was sort of a bluegrass jam session with other people sitting in. <br /><br />Nonetheless, this is the real Clarence on Soldier's Joy - <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-q6GBC6O62A <br />Twice the notes, at twice the speed! <br />Very different circumstances & more accomplished players, but still, I think the comparison casts doubt that it's Clarence on our Matrix tape.<br />Here's also a slower tune to compare with Bluegrass Breakdown: <br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alX4xbiqMss <br /><br />That said, Clarence was in San Francisco with the Byrds playing at the Fillmore from February 6-9. However, the Dead were on tour, and by the time they got back (Feb 16), the Byrds were touring on the east coast for the rest of the month. <br />It's very unlikely Clarence could have played with Jerry in San Francisco that month.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-29692983430337246062013-01-17T20:39:02.957-08:002013-01-17T20:39:02.957-08:00I can tell you this much, Clarence White plays on ...I can tell you this much, Clarence White plays on this tape. I noticed him first at 27:00(this is my first listen). No doubt...listen at 28:40....also, two banjo's on the last two songs.....Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01101800376091038428noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-86353836431590134912009-11-25T09:27:47.840-08:002009-11-25T09:27:47.840-08:00Thanks for the notes, Yellow Shark. I have added t...Thanks for the notes, Yellow Shark. I have added them to my spreadsheet so that I don't replicate that list w/o the caveats/questions.<br /><br />BTW, it wouldn't surprise me at all if there were tapes of other provenance mixed-in here. I was simply relaying what I was given.<br /><br />Here's hoping at some point we can analyze these based on the actual recordings!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-18890898491420611722009-11-25T09:21:41.916-08:002009-11-25T09:21:41.916-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-89887592649289751222009-11-25T04:00:38.686-08:002009-11-25T04:00:38.686-08:00This, a slightly different list, and a longer list...This, a slightly different list, and a longer list have circulated for a while. A lot of these shows are clearly misdated and I fear that some may also be from The Fillmore rather than the Matrix - but until someone who is knowledgable in such matters can get access it doubt that we will find out. Some brief comments on the list:<br /><br />The Doors were playing The London Fog in Los Angeles during March 1966 - but the dates work for 1967.<br />September 30, 1966 - I have the Jefferson Airplane at Winterland and The Andrew Staples at The Matrix.<br />October 14/15, 1966 was the weekend that the Jefferson Airplane were migrating from Signe Anderson to Grace Slick and they were playing at The Fillmore with Big Mama Thornton and Butterfield. Both sets on both days were recorded and apparently circulate. It seems implausable that they would also have shown up and played a set at The Matrix, where Lightnin' Hopkins was playing, as well. At the very least one would also expect to see Lightnin' Hopkins listed. So I think these may be the Fillmore tapes - or they are misdated.<br />November 19, 1966 saw the Grateful Dead at the Fillmore with James Cotton and Lother & The Hand People. With the Fillmore contracting the bands to play two sets it is unlikley that they would then make it over the the Matrix to play an unscheduled set. But let us assume for a moment that they are able to do so. In such cases (and there are several Fillmore/Matrix mismatches), I would also expect the Matrix's scheduled act to appear on the tape list.<br />May 14, 1967 is a well known misdated tape - as the "Early Steppenwolf" album used this misdated Sparrow tape as it's source. The actual date of the show is unknown but either May 9-11 or May 19-21.<br />September 16, 1967 QMS were playing two shows at the Jabberwock on this date. It would be great if the location was incorrect on this tape and the date correct - but I fear not.<br />June 28/29, 1968 saw Ten Years after at the Fillmore - and I seem to recall Wolfgangs Vault making the tapes, or at least one, available. <br />November 30, 1968 - the Grateful Dead were somewhere between Chicago and Detroit - it does not seem plausable that an undocumented Matrix show happened in the couple of days off that they had.<br />December 6, 1968 - I have the Grateful Dead listed at the Spectrum in Philly.<br />Early February 1969 Jorma/Jack shows are vaguely plausable but it seems much more likely that these are misdated.<br /><br />On the plus side someone is making a real effort to obtain access to these tapes - and if he does, I am very confident that it can all be figured out.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-67462645935989441632009-11-24T19:18:32.052-08:002009-11-24T19:18:32.052-08:00wow...we can only hopewow...we can only hopeCorry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-472609612867338842009-11-24T17:18:16.522-08:002009-11-24T17:18:16.522-08:00This is from a list of Matrix tapes that I have be...This is from a list of Matrix tapes that I have been shown. Here's the list in chron.<br /><br />Artist-Date<br />Jefferson Airplane-1/3/1966<br />Grateful Dead-1/7/1966<br />Big Brother & The Holding Company-1/10/1966<br />Great Society-1/16/1966<br />Doors-3/7/1966<br />Big Brother & The Holding Company-3/8/1966<br />Doors-3/10/1966<br />Charlatans-4/17/1966<br />Lightning Hopkins-4/20/1966<br />Great Society-6/4/1966<br />Great Society-6/7/1966<br />Sopwith Camel-6/11/1966<br />Great Society-6/28/1966<br />Final Solution-7/2/1966<br />Country Joe & The Fish-7/13/1966<br />Tom Northcutt Trio-7/26/1966<br />Charlatans-7/28/1966<br />Sopwith Camel-8/3/1966<br />Great Society-8/6/1966<br />Wildflower-8/27/1966<br />Blues Project-9/1/1966<br />Blues Project-9/5/1966<br />Andrew Staples-9/30/1966<br />Jefferson Airplane-9/30/1966<br />Jefferson Airplane-10/14/1966<br />Jefferson Airplane-10/15/1966<br />The Only Alternative w/ Mimi Farina-10/22/1966<br />Jefferson Airplane-10/25/1966<br />Jefferson Airplane-10/26/1966<br />Jefferson Airplane-10/27/1966<br />Jerry Pond-11/17/1966<br />Grateful Dead-11/19/1966<br />Grateful Dead-11/29/1966<br />Grateful Dead-12/1/1966<br />Steve Miller Band-1/27/1967<br />Butterfield Blues Band-1/29/1967<br />Big Brother & The Holding Company-1/31/1967<br />Blues Project-Jefferson Airplane Jam-2/14/1967<br />Blues Project-2/15/1967<br />Blues Project-2/16/1967<br />Quicksilver Messenger Service-3/19/1967<br />Chambers Brothers-3/23/1967<br />Yellow Brick Road-3/23/1967<br />Anonymous Artists of America-3/26/1967<br />Howlin' Wolf-4/18/1967<br />Howlin' Wolf-4/19/1967<br />Howlin' Wolf-4/20/1967<br />Sparrow-5/14/1967<br />Blue Cheer-7/13/1967<br />Steve Miller Band-7/27/1967<br />South Side Sound System-8/30/1967<br />Quicksilver Messenger Service-9/16/1967<br />Big Brother & The Holding Company-10/3/1967<br />Charlatans-10/21/1967<br />Mike Bloomfield-11/18/1967<br />Jefferson Airplane-1/30/1968<br />Jefferson Airplane-1/31/1968<br />Jefferson Airplane-2/1/1968<br />J.C. Burris-3/14/1968<br />Mandel Band Jam-4/27/1968<br />Big Brother & The Holding Company-6/16/1968<br />Sandy Bull-6/16/1968<br />Butterfield-Steve Miller Jam-6/16/1968<br />Steve Miller Band-6/16/1968<br />Ten Years After-6/28/1968<br />Ten Years After-6/29/1968<br />A.B. Skhy-10/3/1968<br />Harvey Mandel Band-10/5/1968<br />Dead Jam-10/8/1968<br />Elvin Bishop Jam-10/9/1968<br />Dead Jam-10/10/1968<br />Harvey Mandel Band-10/16/1968<br />Steve Miller Band-10/28/1968<br />Dead Jam-10/30/1968<br />Dan Hicks-11/1/1968<br />Cold Blood-11/2/1968<br />Dan Hicks-11/2/1968<br />Sea Train-11/10/1968<br />Santana Blues Band-11/13/1968<br />Santana Blues Band-11/14/1968<br />Mother Earth-11/21/1968<br />Mother Earth-11/23/1968<br />Elvin Bishop-Harvey Mandel Jam-11/28/1968<br />Dead Jam-11/30/1968<br />John Winter-12/3/1968<br />Sandy Bull-12/4/1968<br />John Winter-12/4/1968<br />Lightning Hopkins-12/5/1968<br />John Winter-12/5/1968<br />Casady, Garcia, Hart & Dryden Jam-12/6/1968<br />Dan Hicks-12/7/1968<br />West-12/13/1968<br />Winter, Casady, Garcia & Bishop Jam-12/16/1968<br />Casady, Garcia et al. Jam-12/18/1968<br />Garcia, Bishop & Santana Jam-12/23/1968<br />Garcia, Mandel, Chambers et al Jam-12/24/1968<br />Mandel-Bishop Jam-12/30/1968<br />Jorma Kaukonen-1/2/1969<br />Jorma Kaukonen & Jack Casady-1/3/1969<br />Jorma Kaukonen & Jack Casady-1/4/1969<br />Elvin Bishop Band-1/8/1969<br />Beautiful Day-1/15/1969<br />Kooper, Casady, Garcia & Chambers Jam-1/20/1969<br />Ramblin' Jack Elliott-ND<br />Jesse Fuller-NDFate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-35840774690938369982009-11-24T13:52:05.934-08:002009-11-24T13:52:05.934-08:00What's the source of those dates...GD vaults?
...What's the source of those dates...GD vaults?<br /><br />Al Kooper, then a staff producer at Columbia, hanging out in California and jamming at the Matrix. Very interesting. <br /><br />Also, is the "Chambers" drummer John Chambers? He was Elvin Bishop's guy (also in We Five and Loading Zone at various times). On the 12/24/68 tape, "George Chambers" is sometimes listed as the drummer, but I think its John Chambers.<br /><br />Also, re the 11-30-68 Matrix jam, weren't the Dead between Chicago (11/28) and Detroit (12/1)?<br /><br />All very intriguingCorry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-35835042785368214582009-11-24T11:17:49.964-08:002009-11-24T11:17:49.964-08:00And JGMF is just fine by me, Yellow Shark!And JGMF is just fine by me, Yellow Shark!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-12451621670800102372009-11-24T11:16:37.602-08:002009-11-24T11:16:37.602-08:00I hope these see the light of day, sometime. They ...I hope these see the light of day, sometime. They probably aren't commercially viable, so why not just share 'em?<br /><br />Casady, Garcia, Hart & Dryden Jam 12/6/1968<br />Casady, Garcia et al. Jam 12/18/1968<br />Dead Jam 11/30/1968<br />Garcia, Bishop & Santana Jam 12/23/1968<br />Kooper, Casady, Garcia & Chambers Jam 1/20/1969Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-4958480267196984912009-11-23T20:11:47.797-08:002009-11-23T20:11:47.797-08:00wow--should we call it 'Marty's Vault'...wow--should we call it 'Marty's Vault'? A December 1965 Warlocks show?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-14409169471436784722009-11-23T15:25:03.125-08:002009-11-23T15:25:03.125-08:00I have to say thanks to JGMF, if I may call you th...I have to say thanks to JGMF, if I may call you that, for the "Celestial Synapse" link. So Thanks. <br /><br />Now - the Matrix Tapes. I can confirm that they exist, that I know who has them, and physically, I know where they are. If we get access, and that is a pretty big if, and if we can then identify some of the "up for grabs" shows, that would be great. My guess is we will get a little access to some of the undocumented shows eventually - and that these will serve to complete lists more than anything else. Those of us who await the December 1965 Warlocks/Dead show may need to wait a little longer - but it does of course exist. The finds (of orgasmic proportions) in the Matrix tapes will unlikely be Dead related.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-78258899275773762812009-11-22T11:11:10.279-08:002009-11-22T11:11:10.279-08:00FYI, the "Celestial Synapse" write-up fr...FYI, the "Celestial Synapse" write-up from Rolling Stone is available online at http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/thegratefuldead/articles/story/5935647/celestial_synapse_at_the_fillmore.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-25290277691537022862009-11-12T21:34:25.123-08:002009-11-12T21:34:25.123-08:00I'm not convinced that the Matrix tape labelin...I'm not convinced that the Matrix tape labeling was that organized. A lot of tapes were edited and/or recorded over. There seems to be a number of tapes (such as the Oct 68 Hartbeats tapes)that are very hard to date accurately.<br /><br />Here's my assumption--there's a tape box that says 2-19-69 (hopefully with Tuna and Herald), and after various edits and so forth, the High Country tape gets spliced out, and a thoughtful engineer looks at the box and writes "Garcia 2-19-69" on the High Country tape. Better than nothing.<br /><br />Somebody dated the show as 2-19-69, and it isn't all wrong (High Country only used guests for a few months), but it isn't all right either. There may not have been a Matrix tape from earlier in the week (no one played, or no one memorable) so 2-19 may have been the first 'worthy' event of the week.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-27262521959755340922009-11-12T15:56:32.062-08:002009-11-12T15:56:32.062-08:00But 2/19/69 being a Wednesday doesn't make tha...But 2/19/69 being a Wednesday doesn't make that type of labeling likely ...<br /><br />Do you know whether Abrams (or anyone) has tape of these 2/69 Hartbeats shows?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-69939870335507360522009-11-12T05:50:50.862-08:002009-11-12T05:50:50.862-08:00I also realized that Jorma and Jack played The Bea...I also realized that Jorma and Jack played The Bear's Lair on the UC Campus on February 21, two days later, so it does seem like they were playing around that week.<br /><br />I'm now leaning towards High Country opening one of the Hartbeats shows (Feb 24 or 26). If the tape box was dated "Week of 2/19/69", then it would explain the date. It opens other questions--did David Nelson play with the Hartbeats? And who played the 25th?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-38554076167459744792009-11-12T04:35:05.876-08:002009-11-12T04:35:05.876-08:00Having taken a look at the barbs from this window ...Having taken a look at the barbs from this window in February there is nothing useful. Tunabase has the same listing for February 19 as I do: "Jorma/Jack, Weird Herald (High Country with Jerry Garcia guesting)". But is so close to mine with the brackets et all that I figure they lifted it of chickenonaunicycle.com. I'll dig some more. I noted a reference to a SF Chronicle article about the "Celestial Synapse" show - that would be interesting to see. Also, apparently 1,500 invites were sent out - how come they haven't surfaced at all?The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-87772200906352137102009-11-10T10:59:37.333-08:002009-11-10T10:59:37.333-08:00My Matrix listing is annotated that the origin of ...My Matrix listing is annotated that the origin of this date is a San Francisco Chronicle listing. I am travelling at present and do not have access to the Barbs, but will check on my return.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.com