tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post3230400041989804373..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: September 6-7, 1969 Family Dog At The Great Highway, San Francisco Jefferson Airplane/Grateful DeadCorry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-39087322932121906962022-07-08T06:28:18.499-07:002022-07-08T06:28:18.499-07:00sweden rock 2022Classic rock, hard rock, metal and...<br /><a href="https://timetorockfestival.se/" rel="nofollow">sweden rock 2022</a>Classic rock, hard rock, metal and even some blues - something for all tastes. Clean and neat, safe and secure.Giovanni Carlohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12541728811738238430noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-43555121621437298082020-09-07T01:01:53.107-07:002020-09-07T01:01:53.107-07:00There was an effort to form a cooperative of bands...There was an effort to form a cooperative of bands,musicians,light show performers and other notables through group meetings at the Play land venue (FDGH). The schedule and design of shows was worked out by group discussion. Several events were promoted by this group,Holy Man Jam was one of them.<br /><br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09401546518529537865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-2969554207962295912018-05-28T00:40:08.525-07:002018-05-28T00:40:08.525-07:00This is all really old news but, for the record, p...This is all really old news but, for the record, pictures of the old Topsy's Roost operation will show balconies along both long walls, but in a "modernization" of the building sometime in the late '50s or early '60s the balcony along the West side of the building was framed and sheetrocked in.<br />At the time the Family Dog operated the venue, that area housed the band room, "office space" devoted to the mail order business in reselling old Avalon posters, and some storage.<br />How do I know? Because I worked there.beachdog67https://www.blogger.com/profile/09887850845423627424noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-16843174635669118532016-02-28T16:09:26.002-08:002016-02-28T16:09:26.002-08:00As to film of the Family Dog Ballroom, I recall se...As to film of the Family Dog Ballroom, I recall seeing an early '70s 'alternative spirituality documentary' called Sunseed, (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0948127/), which has footage of Stephen Gaskin and Swami Satchidaanada at what I believe is the Holy Man Jam at FDGH. DOn't know where to find it these days.LynneGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10245677094982947022noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-26247140649589180342015-02-05T10:44:37.326-08:002015-02-05T10:44:37.326-08:00Yes, I was there that night, working for the light...Yes, I was there that night, working for the light show company that did the show. Both bands were there and traded sets, then both bands took to the stages at either end of the ballroom and jammed together until 2 a.m.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07804313264502996517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-84895320295227333802012-01-06T05:35:33.850-08:002012-01-06T05:35:33.850-08:00I have to think that Yellow Shark is onto somethin...I have to think that Yellow Shark is onto something with his idea of a makeup show. More generally, the unusual involvement of the Airplane with Helms here strikes me as having to do with the whole light guild strike and all that. I think there was a conscious effort to try to create an improbably awesome scene way out on the Great Highway. Having the GD and JA do word-of-mouth gigs would be one way to try to build such a thing, to be sure!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-58766987334646225122012-01-05T20:51:25.925-08:002012-01-05T20:51:25.925-08:00Anything David has been kind enough to report has ...Anything David has been kind enough to report has been included in threads. I think Sep 6 '69 is a sure thing. I'm not convinced yet about Sep 7. I have learned, however, that many FDGH shows featuring major bands were barely advertised at all, so it's not out of the question that the bands played on Sep 7 as well.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-70468389523739279952012-01-05T20:40:11.864-08:002012-01-05T20:40:11.864-08:00Corry, I am giving a close listen to 9/6/69 Airpla...Corry, I am giving a close listen to 9/6/69 Airplane set. Did David Lemieux report anything back from his vault research?<br /><br />As this thread seems to have concluded nearly two years ago, I think the dating is pretty well airtight.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-57146072985574716002010-02-02T11:10:33.552-08:002010-02-02T11:10:33.552-08:00This post motivated me to finally put something up...This post motivated me to finally put something up on the GD Venue blog I created a couple years ago. I've written a history of the building that became the FDGH, complete with color glossy photographs with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one explaining what each one was...<br />http://gdvenue.blogspot.com/2010/02/hmmm.htmlIMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00770956092269600588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-18893258617950323142010-02-02T01:34:44.454-08:002010-02-02T01:34:44.454-08:00I had time to look up 660 and it seems that there ...I had time to look up 660 and it seems that there were balconies on both sides as you look out from the stage. It was once called Topsy's Roost and a fair amount of information survives.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-46896147606803247732010-02-02T00:24:57.158-08:002010-02-02T00:24:57.158-08:00Just to answer one question. The Great Highway Bui...Just to answer one question. The Great Highway Building was not seated. It was an entirely open room with balconies behind and to the right of the stage. Some of the most popular events saw the room packed full on Monday nights (beginning September 15, 1969 for a couple of months) when Stephen Gaskin was presenting his visions for the future. Gaskin would soon move to The Farm in Tennessee with members of Mt Rushmore and many others. It is a story we only touched on in the Phoenix family tree. <br /><br />The good thing is that both film (as in the moving pictures) and still photographs survive of the Monday night events. I am on the road so to speak at present but will return to base for a couple of days later in the week and will try and find some examples.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-44897565727066386902010-02-01T22:38:39.555-08:002010-02-01T22:38:39.555-08:00One more tidbit - checking out the Night at the Fa...One more tidbit - checking out the Night at the Family Dog video, the area in front of the stage seems to have been kept mostly clear for the cameras, so it looks like a small audience that night. But there are definitely people sitting on the floor & the ends of the stage among the dancers...Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-57401400504205168572010-02-01T19:28:00.887-08:002010-02-01T19:28:00.887-08:00Ah, I figured Pigpen was just doing his usual rap,...Ah, I figured Pigpen was just doing his usual rap, it seems to be the same in many Midnight Hours. It's like in Lovelight - at every show he seems to find guys with their hands in their pockets - right, Pig, as if.<br /><br />If Lemieux could be persuaded to play more of that 9-7-69 show on the Taper's Section, that would be very illuminating. <br /><br />After '66, Bear's dating was indeed quite accurate. I have a hard time recalling any misdated Vault tapes from his time. (Missing tapes, though, is another matter, as late '68 seems to have mostly disappeared - a vexing question in itself!) <br /><br />On the subject of tapedates, though - the Seattle 1/22-23/68 shows... Part of the 1/23 show was released with that date, yet Deadlists notes that there's no evidence for Seattle shows on that tour until 1/26-27. Do you have more information?Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-65468200876794469452010-02-01T15:52:32.481-08:002010-02-01T15:52:32.481-08:00David Lemieux very kindly wrote to me and said tha...David Lemieux very kindly wrote to me and said that he would look into the source of the dates on the Airplane tape boxes. He also said that in general Bear's dating of tapes was extremely accurate, so if its his dating, its very trustworthy. Good to know.<br /><br />The Family Dog did not have seats on the main floor--I think there were a few around the edges. It was smaller than Fillmore West, and probably a comparable size to the original Fillmore. I have a picture somewhere, I'll see if I can find it and post it on the Archaeology Blog.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-42674640463425977022010-02-01T11:20:02.469-08:002010-02-01T11:20:02.469-08:00The Dead after all, flew all the way to Atlanta si...The Dead after all, flew all the way to Atlanta simply to play a free show! (as far as we know....) So there's not much surprise in them showing up on an 'empty' weekend at the Family Dog. <br />From the tape it sounds like a decent-sized crowd - I presume there was some word-of-mouth at least, rather than a few stray onlookers wandering in to see who was there...<br /><br />Could the Airplane have played simply because the Dead asked them to, or because they felt like it? <br />Was the 5-7-69 park show a similar situation? <br /><br />Just out of curiosity, was the Family Dog a seated venue? During Midnight Hour (a lousy version, by the way, with Garcia barely playing) Pigpen spends a great deal of time telling the audience to "Get up! Come on, stand up!" <br />It's hard to imagine a Dead audience sitting placidly in front of the stage. So I wonder if this was just a bit of poetic license that Pigpen always took in Midnight Hour, regardless of what the audience was doing.<br /><br />Now I'm curious what else is on the Sep 7 tape...Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-5195513977909531692010-02-01T05:30:23.599-08:002010-02-01T05:30:23.599-08:00Good find, LIA!
Ahhh ... what days when this grou...Good find, LIA!<br /><br />Ahhh ... what days when this group of misfits could just kind of show up, sit in with each other, do some oddities, etc. If you look at Family Dog GD setlists from 1969, they were *always* pulling out the weird stuff there. Seems like an exceptionally loose environment. So the September 7th stuff has never surprised me that much -- it seems very much in keeping with the rest of the evidence.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-33472703494626844872010-02-01T04:37:45.294-08:002010-02-01T04:37:45.294-08:00I've got to agree with you that Jerry saying &...I've got to agree with you that Jerry saying "Jefferson Airplane, coming up next" is pretty definitive. So much for wondering if the Airplane played.<br /><br />Nonetheless, the show remains an oddity--Two Fillmore West headliners playing a stealth show across town with no advertising. The Great Highway isn't convenient to Marin, and there was nothing nearby, so this wasn't a casual gig. <br /><br />I'm still wondering about September 7, too.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-65604373306444272582010-02-01T03:11:35.320-08:002010-02-01T03:11:35.320-08:00If you listen to the 9-6-69 Midnight Hour at the T...If you listen to the 9-6-69 Midnight Hour at the Taper's Section, at the end Garcia says, "Jefferson Airplane, coming up next." <br /><br />I should have thought to check that yesterday, rather than wandering into all this speculation! It seems like pretty definite proof to me for the Airplane's 9-6-69 show.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-26812434301887189032010-01-31T15:51:08.061-08:002010-01-31T15:51:08.061-08:00There's an extended manuscript tradition with ...There's an extended manuscript tradition with Grateful Dead tapes, starting with the Vault itself. There's no such tradition for Jefferson Airplane tapes. I can think of any number of explanations for a mis-dated Airplane tape, starting with taping over an already used tape and sticking it in the wrong box (been there, done that).<br /><br />There's no doubt that Bear was careful and organized when working with Grateful Dead material, but I don't think that has to apply to every piece of tape in a box. I'd love to hear what Lemieux has to say, but I'm not certain that it would give us a definitive answer.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-65355100780005371232010-01-31T15:38:32.359-08:002010-01-31T15:38:32.359-08:00Thanks for that rock prosopography link, I clearly...Thanks for that rock prosopography link, I clearly have more digging to do in that site! <br /><br />Given the jam with Garcia & Hart in the "9/6/69" show, it's almost certain to be a date where the Dead played as well.<br />10/24/69 might be a good guess. Although the sbd of the Dead's show for that day hasn't surfaced... <br /><br />The "9/7/69" show was formerly attributed to 9/1 Baton Rouge...which was improbable. Nor is the "9/6" show likely to be from 9/1. Somehow I suspect that the 9/1/69 pop-festival conditions wouldn't allow for an 'extra' jam set between the Airplane & Dead, but you probably know more about that. <br /><br />The big question is the accuracy of tapedates....if that 9/6/69 Airplane show was taped by Bear & kept in the Dead's vault, isn't it unlikely to have a wrong date or be mixed up with the 10/24/69 show? I'd think the burden of proof would be on anyone disproving it. <br />There's also the possibility that a careful check of the tapes might pin down the location more (by spoken comment or audience sound).<br /><br />Deadlists notes that the Vault has an 80-minute SBD of the 9-7-69 show, so we're also working with the problem of a very incomplete tape. Eaton's listing is quite specific and, I believe correct (though it doesn't mean that the full Airplane appeared that day). <br />It's quite possible a simple email to Dave Lemieux at the Dead Vault would clear this up.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-12643701873431965792010-01-31T13:22:04.618-08:002010-01-31T13:22:04.618-08:00From looking over existing Airplane tapes, I would...From looking over existing Airplane tapes, I would now find it more believable if the so-called 9/6/69 Airplane tape was really Winterland 10/24/69. <br /><br />We know the Airplane and Dead actually played together on 10/24 show (unlike 9/6/69)<br /><br />There are Airplane tapes (presumably recorded by Bear) from the 10/25 and 10/26 (Sunday afternoon) show--why not 10/24?<br /><br />The Airplane closed the show on Friday 10/24, so its plausible that Garcia and Hart joined them for a sort of encore jam<br /><br />I can talk myself into a Hot Tuna type afternoon gig on 9/7/69, and a Dead show on 9/6/69, but I just can't convince myself of a Dead/Airplane show on 9/6.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-73487325052384779742010-01-31T10:31:01.418-08:002010-01-31T10:31:01.418-08:00The Airplane tape also came out of the GD vault wh...The Airplane tape also came out of the GD vault when Dick died, along with a number of other high quality JA tapes such as 10/25/69, 10/26/69, 4/15/70, the September 70 shows, etc.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-10535503301255120122010-01-31T09:39:23.949-08:002010-01-31T09:39:23.949-08:00I keep finding more reasons to believe that the De...I keep finding more reasons to believe that the Dead played the Family Dog on Sep 6, and fewer reasons to believe the Airplane did. Does anyone have any idea of how the Airplane tape was dated?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-28325318532387887972010-01-31T09:11:03.634-08:002010-01-31T09:11:03.634-08:00The Sept. 6th dating is also supported by the prov...The Sept. 6th dating is also supported by the provenance of the tapes. These were tapes that came into general circulation not long after Dick Latvala passed away, and they were, I think, from his personal copies of GD vault tapes. Not that this is a guarantee of good dating, mind you, but these aren't some mystery tapes that emerged out of the ether, and by 1969 the GD vault tapes seem to be pretty systematically and pretty accurately labeled.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-44225079575133462882010-01-31T05:31:51.634-08:002010-01-31T05:31:51.634-08:00Thinking about the September 6 and 7 shows - and I...Thinking about the September 6 and 7 shows - and I have yet to be convinced that they exist at all – but a postulation. <br /><br />The Grateful Dead had been scheduled to play August 1-3 at the Family Dog with Ballet Afro-Haiti and Albert Collins. We know that the August 2 and August 3 shows took place, and that Garcia played the Bear’s Lair on August 1 as he was supporting the Light Artists Guild with their strike on August 1.<br /><br />When asked about the trouble he could be getting in to contractually by refusing to cross the picket line, Garcia told the Tribe “It doesn’t have anything to do with unions or picket lines. I know where the Guild is at and I know how much they need to do their thing. I would prefer to play but won’t cross their picket line.”<br /><br />So - a thought. The Grateful Dead failed to meet their obligation to play on August 1. Agreement is struck with Chet for them to fulfill the obligation at the first opportunity. This somehow arises on September 6 when there is nothing advertised or scheduled at the Family Dog. As there were always promises of music, poetry or other events happening on the Great Highway, there would always be a ready made audience. <br /><br />Maybe the Dead play a set or two. It seems unlikely to me that the Jefferson Airplane were there – and if they were, it seems more probable that it would be the Jorma, Jack and Joey subset. The September 7 R’n’R set is in my view misleading – the proverbial red herring (it also circulates (or used to) as the New Orleans Pop Festival).The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.com