tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post3716801217143239562..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: Family Dog At The Great Highway, August 13, 1969 New Lost City Ramblers/New Riders Of The Purple SageCorry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger34125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-7553872220254334462023-03-30T22:42:13.387-07:002023-03-30T22:42:13.387-07:00For those not in Chapel Hill, the New Lost City Ra...For those not in Chapel Hill, the New Lost City Ramblers' Aug '69 shows at the Family Dog are narrated in Ray Allen's book "Gone to the Country: the New Lost City Ramblers & the Folk Music Revival" (p.192-194). The author listened to the tape and describes their set. <br />Aug 16 was one of their regular shows without guests, by the way; the Dead were up in Woodstock. Apparently no tape survives of the notorious hoedown.<br />One song from this show was released on a NLCR compilation, 'Wildwood Weed.' Sounds like they went over well with the Family Dog crowd!<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVNG8GKVnP8 Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-72427015932128954472023-03-27T05:50:38.112-07:002023-03-27T05:50:38.112-07:00Anonymous here. Sorry I forgot to include my name ...Anonymous here. Sorry I forgot to include my name on the comment, but did want to say that the archivists at the SFC are great and you can reach out to them about this research. Usually, they are really receptive. MichaelMichael Kramernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-84445005447794344782023-03-26T17:17:17.639-07:002023-03-26T17:17:17.639-07:00I saw the listing in the UNC Library link. Of cour...I saw the listing in the UNC Library link. Of course, now the blog has to identify someone who lives in Chapel Hill and has no other obligations and can just visit during library hours (naturally it would help if said person knew someone with university affiliations). Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11725858716546990742023-03-26T11:19:33.229-07:002023-03-26T11:19:33.229-07:00Thank you, Anon!
Paging Corry Arnold. Corry Arnol...Thank you, Anon!<br /><br />Paging Corry Arnold. Corry Arnold to the white courtesy telephone, please.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-18744151552789190392023-03-25T11:55:22.368-07:002023-03-25T11:55:22.368-07:00Maybe it circulates in bootlegger circles, but rec...Maybe it circulates in bootlegger circles, but recording of the NLCR performance on August 16 1969 at the Family Dog on the Great Highway exists in the Mike Seeger Collection at UNC Chapel Hill's (amazing) Southern Folklife Collection. Only available for listening on site however. https://dc.lib.unc.edu/cdm/singleitem/collection/20009/id/4782/rec/1Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-16204127628230554232022-06-04T05:47:34.038-07:002022-06-04T05:47:34.038-07:00Whoa, that is noteworthy - thank you!Whoa, that is noteworthy - thank you!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-3887920220751764332022-06-02T12:01:11.128-07:002022-06-02T12:01:11.128-07:00We reading something about the short lived Devil&#...We reading something about the short lived Devil's Kitchen and thought it might be relevant to the discussion here: <br /><br />Wednesday, August 13, 1969: Family Dog On The Great Highway, Playland Amusement Park, 660 Great Highway, Ocean Beach, San Francisco, California <br />Devil's Kitchen, or at least some of them, along with the New Lost City Ramblers and the New Riders Of The Purple Sage, played during an afternoon "hoe down" (square dance) show put on by the Common, a local community group formed by Chet Helms and other San Francisco's luminaries. "One of my memories was at Chet Helm's all-acoustic afternoon jam (no microphones or amps) at the Family Dog on the Great Highway," Bob Laughton recalls. "I was playing acoustic guitar and singing bluegrass with Jerry Garcia on 5-string banjo. The two of us were encircled by a chorus of a dozen rockers strumming away on their acoustics. I probably was the only one of the band [Devil's Kitchen] who played. Robbie [Stokes] may have strummed behind Jerry and me, but in our band I was the most familiar with singing and playing that style of music, from my earlier bluegrass days with the Dusty Road Boys. Later that day I backed up John Cohen of the New Lost City Ramblers on a solo set, it was very memorable day for me! Watching us in the audience were Eric Clapton, Steve Winwood and Rick Grech (Blind Faith was at the Oakland Coliseum the next day). Later I told Clapton that I liked to play 'really loud acoustics'."<br /><br />http://brunoceriotti.weebly.com/devils-kitchen.htmlIMPigpenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17762063835995298905noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-81462261955345647302022-04-11T16:49:48.913-07:002022-04-11T16:49:48.913-07:00True ad hoc--likely Jerry and Dave sitting in, but...True ad hoc--likely Jerry and Dave sitting in, but we can't know at this distant removeCorry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-12443630834536124942022-04-11T06:25:38.023-07:002022-04-11T06:25:38.023-07:00Good point. Would you lean toward a "Jerry Ga...Good point. Would you lean toward a "Jerry Garcia - Misc" classification, like a true ad hoc thing, or showing NLCR as the band, with JG and DN sitting in? I think your comment is clear enough, but I want to be sure the options are clear, too.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-15356999281710506442022-04-10T13:52:19.967-07:002022-04-10T13:52:19.967-07:00I don't think it's likely. NLCR were the &...I don't think it's likely. NLCR were the "headliners," so I think Garcia and Nelson came and sat in with them. Dawson probably knew the tunes and sang a little bit. BUt Matthews and Hart would have known nothing about their music, nor had anything to add (electric bass and trap drums).Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-34144600666630921272022-04-10T07:52:47.943-07:002022-04-10T07:52:47.943-07:00Do you all think we should list all of the NRPS an...Do you all think we should list all of the NRPS and all of the NLCR for the bit where the two bands played together? Open to recommendations for listing personnel at <a href="https://jerrybase.com/events/19690813-02" rel="nofollow">https://jerrybase.com/events/19690813-02</a>Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-75800568206248633022020-05-04T23:08:30.140-07:002020-05-04T23:08:30.140-07:00Some more notes about the chronology here:
https:/...Some more notes about the chronology here:<br />https://hooterollin.blogspot.com/2020/05/new-riders-of-purple-sage-tour-history.html?showComment=1588652268729#c3699787700800426127<br /><br />Basically, 8/19 is a possibility for the square dance (since one reliable Ramblers biographer places it after their Family Dog weekend), but the available handbill for Aug 13 was printed the SAME DAY. No question about the date...unless the square dance was so successful the Family Dog decided to have another one the following week!<br />I don't discount this as a possibility. The 8/21 Good Times said specifically that "last night (Wednesday) was a 'Square Dance Class' with the New Lost City Ramblers." From the context it seems to be Wed Aug 20, which means that either the Ramblers played square dances at the Family Dog two weeks in a row, or the newspaper dates are just vague and screwy - take your pick!<br /><br />The Ramblers did arrive early (reportedly checking out a Family Dog show on 8/14, so playing there on the 13th wouldn't be a stretch). It was the start of a 3-week tour for them; after a stint at the Ash Grove, they returned to the Bay area for shows at Freight & Salvage Aug 26-28 and the Inn of the Beginning, Aug 29.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-36630282524372218222020-05-04T23:04:56.230-07:002020-05-04T23:04:56.230-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-21396870181470646972018-02-15T17:57:31.450-08:002018-02-15T17:57:31.450-08:00Just to cross-reference, the Family Dog had anothe...Just to cross-reference, the Family Dog had another hoe-down on November 18, 1969, this time a square dance with David LaFlamme playing with Garcia & the New Riders. <br />Some comments on the Family Dog square-dance phenomenon here: <br />http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2017/12/magic-at-edge-of-western-world.html Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11600606551074950882016-04-09T13:48:47.087-07:002016-04-09T13:48:47.087-07:00"New Lost City Ramblers Song Book".<a href="http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2015/05/new-lost-city-ramblers-songbook.html" rel="nofollow">"New Lost City Ramblers Song Book"</a>.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-19602900156462316642010-08-23T09:36:06.835-07:002010-08-23T09:36:06.835-07:00Oh yeah, another comment relating to the Art Johns...Oh yeah, another comment relating to the Art Johnson article. I hate to muddy the waters, but I have some misgivings about relying on the handbills/posters to pin the date, rather than Johnson's article. Yellow Shark, somewhere or another we have discussed methodology, but wouldn't you agree that a contemporary report (granted, probably written a week later) should be preferred to handbills and such for this purpose? We have no idea if the posters were printed a week in advance or whatever.<br /><br />Here are two points from my current read, which lends less certainty to things than your read.<br /><br />First, the opening line "It was Tuesday afternoon at the Family Dog" says nothing about the date. In fact, it seems deliberately open-ended to me. This could have occurred any time between May and August, or so. It doesn't very much sound like Johnson is describing a meeting from two days ago (8/19) on today's deadline (8/21) for tomorrow's paper (8/22), to me. In brief, I am not so sure we should pin this episode to 8/19 (all while recognizing that there may well have been a meeting of The Common on that day, too).<br /><br />Second, I am not as sure about 8/19 being wrong for the description of the NLCR/NRPS "hoe down". Johnson is probably writing on Thursday, 8/21 for the Friday, 8/22 publication. (Corry, if that's wrong, tell me ... don't you think most of this stuff was finalized the day before it went to press)? He first says that there was a hoedown "last Tuesday night". I find this formulation falling into an ambiguity in (at least American) English, whereby we sometimes mean "the last one that passed" (i.e., here, 8/19) or, of we are within a few days of the most recently-passed Tuesday, we can mean the one before that (i.e., 8/12). In his second mention of the event, he just says "At the square dance Tuesday, etc. etc.", which to me sounds more like 8/19. If it were the 12th he would at least have said "last Tuesday".<br /><br />After all that pedantry, let me make a simpler point. If NLCR was at the Dog 8/15/-17 weekend, isn't it just as likely that they stayed over a few days (until Tuesday 8/19) as that they arrived a few days early (Wednesday, 8/13)?<br /><br />All in all, I want to revisit the question of 8/13 and argue in favor of 8/19, based on the logic above and based on the superiority of a contemporary <i>ex post</i> account over an <i>ex ante</i> advertisement.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-24115737426871065322010-08-23T09:15:15.364-07:002010-08-23T09:15:15.364-07:00Paul, you mentioned 8/29 and 8/30/69 ... can you t...<a href="http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2010/04/family-dog-at-great-highway-august-13.html?showComment=1272432006332#c1215694863617083297" rel="nofollow">Paul, you mentioned 8/29 and 8/30/69</a> ... can you tell me more about those nights (who played, etc.)? Thanks!<br /><br />Yellow Shark, this Tribe article (1) is really quite fantastic. Perhaps this is well known, but it really seems like the aim was to reproduce the Haight-Ashbury of 1966 in the Sunset of 1969. Too bad it doesn't seem to have materialized.<br /><br />A propos of nothing, I am guessing that the Sunset is quite foggy.<br /><br /><br /><br />(1) Johnson, Art. 1969. Uncommon Common. <i>Berkeley Tribe</i>, August 22-29, 1969, pp. 5, 24.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-31261636128025286102010-05-28T20:41:11.022-07:002010-05-28T20:41:11.022-07:00How's this for interesting? In an interview co...How's this for interesting? In an interview conducted on 8/20 or 8/21/69 in Seattle and published in the <i>Helix</i> v5 n4, Garcia mentions talking to John Cohen of the New Lost City Ramblers. The discussion is about musicians getting ripped off, and from the context Garcia makes it sound like the conversation just happened.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-85000182230717784172010-05-01T09:11:20.561-07:002010-05-01T09:11:20.561-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-68608327029419817712010-05-01T08:12:09.947-07:002010-05-01T08:12:09.947-07:00Amazing. Particularly since the NCLR kind of took ...Amazing. Particularly since the NCLR kind of took a break after about 1969, and did not play much for a while (although they never actually broke up). Its great to see the old and the new meet, just as Mike Seeger met and played with a prior generation of traditional musicians.<br /><br />You don't recall what songs the bands played together, do you?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-57947315712698258652010-05-01T08:03:13.203-07:002010-05-01T08:03:13.203-07:00I played banjo on a few tunes on the August 13 gig...I played banjo on a few tunes on the August 13 gig. Garcia, Nelson, and I held the NLCR in high esteem. I remember Garcia's excitement leading up to the gig. After both bands played, we played some tunes together.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15489744201478976480noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-66810358570082366832010-04-28T21:48:11.184-07:002010-04-28T21:48:11.184-07:00I found out about these shows from a small flyer (...I found out about these shows from a small flyer (ca. 4x6 inches) stapled to a utility pole. Word of mouth was of course a vehicle but I couldn't tell you if any events were intentionally publicized solely that way.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16711839393339577191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-71515925718760816342010-04-28T10:46:27.661-07:002010-04-28T10:46:27.661-07:00Paul, very interesting to hear about the double st...Paul, very interesting to hear about the double stages. It explains how the FDGH could book quite a number of bands and still manage to get through all of them in an evening.<br /><br />Do you recall if unannounced shows were regular? Did people sometimes find out about a show as it happened, with no flyers and no advertising? It does seem like that must have happened more than once.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-35170205434452450332010-04-28T08:44:06.284-07:002010-04-28T08:44:06.284-07:00To correct my error:
"When one band would fin...To correct my error:<br />"When one band would finish, we all would turn around..."<br /><br />That's what I get for redrafting in midstream.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16711839393339577191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-12156948636170832972010-04-27T22:20:06.332-07:002010-04-27T22:20:06.332-07:00I know I went to the 8/29 and 8/30 shows at Playla...I know I went to the 8/29 and 8/30 shows at Playland. 8/28 is questionable. In spite of what Chet wanted to call it, the site had been Playland long before he brought the Family Dog to it and was Playland after he left. To my knowledge the Playland name stuck even while the Dog was is residence. The venue for those shows was not a theater in the round but rather two low rise stages at either end of the rather small hall. One band played while the other band set up. When one band would finish, we all would turned around and walk over to the other stage. By low rise, I mean those stages couldn't have been more than two feet off the floor. None of the nights were particularly well attended. My ticket number for the 29th which I bought at the door was 234. (I have no idea why I remember that but I do.) It was a great venue and having the ocean on the other side of PCH was plus. A nice place to kick back after the shows. The break wall at the beach, by the way, was the site of some of the early photos of the bandUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16711839393339577191noreply@blogger.com