tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post3740667461401614906..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: The Horn Tour (September 1973 Tour Itinerary)Corry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-45124167796632089082023-09-17T16:36:38.411-07:002023-09-17T16:36:38.411-07:00Who says Deadhead's don't like Martin Fier...Who says Deadhead's don't like Martin Fierro? Certainly a lot of us were very into Legion of Mary. And I have the distinct impression that his reputation continues to grow, 15 years after he left the planet. Martin was a righteous person, a true hippie, a good man. No bullshit, no pose, all heart.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-24386374327381329722018-11-27T17:58:41.692-08:002018-11-27T17:58:41.692-08:00Hey that's my Quote from Archive! I can also A...Hey that's my Quote from Archive! I can also Ad that I think the show was very close to sold out as I was sitting very high up in the rear and don't remember there being a lot of open space around . and FWIW, The Martin Solo on let it grow still rings true in my ears today . I had never heard anything like this, Was vaguely familiar with the song Truckin and that night I jumped on the Bus!FerPeteSakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12337351750515010666noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-86986531314543588352018-11-07T15:20:59.933-08:002018-11-07T15:20:59.933-08:00Thanks for this analysis. Nice to get it nailed do...Thanks for this analysis. Nice to get it nailed down. <br /><br />It's important to remember that this was before Fierro had joined Garcia/Saunders (he had jammed with them one known time, Jul 19 '73 I think, and also played on the Hooteroll sessions, although possibly not when Jerry was there).Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-40289041447588959072018-11-07T14:18:18.934-08:002018-11-07T14:18:18.934-08:00My bad, it was the 2nd set on the 12th. But my poi...My bad, it was the 2nd set on the 12th. But my point stands, it was just the same 2 tunes with trumpet on only one.<br /><br />Three nights later, in Providence there are written and/or rehearsed 2-horn parts on Truckin, Eyes, Stella Blue, Sugar Mag, and OOSN in addition to the original 2 tunes (plus Fierro is on flute for much of WRS).<br />It evolved.Chas Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014964778727329625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-50131979958530797442018-11-07T12:03:59.970-08:002018-11-07T12:03:59.970-08:00So then on the 12th, it's the same 2 tunes aga...So then on the 12th, it's the same 2 tunes again, but closing out the first set this time. Sax only on SYBA, but trumpet is added for WRS, playing some parts that sound written and/or rehearsed plus some seemingly improvised harmonies and a few interedting licks in the jam. No horns at all in the second set.<br />I'll bet it was Fierro's idea to bring Ellis in for WRS.Chas Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014964778727329625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-24726963480448998282018-11-06T18:03:10.129-08:002018-11-06T18:03:10.129-08:00Listened to the 9/11/73 show today. There is no tr...Listened to the 9/11/73 show today. There is no trumpet. Fierro just played on the 2 tunes to which he had contributed on the album. Suggests the "horn section" concept evolved during the tour. My guess is that Fierro was invited to play his parts that first night, and Ellis was added on somebody's whim for subsequent shows.Chas Petersonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12014964778727329625noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-6308305176695698002017-07-13T01:50:44.530-07:002017-07-13T01:50:44.530-07:00I was there, and yes the show was over around 2 am...I was there, and yes the show was over around 2 am, but it wasn't advertised as being 6 hours as the obviously doctored poster states. The actual show's playing time is only 3 hours 13 minutes or so. Doug Sahm opening set wasn't more than 30-40 minutes, and there were (obviously) some breaks as it did start more or less on time (I recall Sahm's set starting around 7:30). ethiessen1https://www.blogger.com/profile/04225760887546808421noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-45150873964043855162016-04-01T11:23:16.847-07:002016-04-01T11:23:16.847-07:00in the '86 I was a high school kid in New Orle...in the '86 I was a high school kid in New Orleans who only had access to the vinyl until I met a head at jazzfest who took down my address. he sent me a box of great tapes and it changed my life forever. Then I went to San Diego and found my 1st head shop! It was on. it is true that I was in the wilderness until I got the hook up. THEN 10/18/88 the Boyz came to New Orleans and we all got on the bus. Over 100 shows later and three crates of tapes that I still have and listen to sporatically Jerry passed. today's access is insane! Archive and all the releases have made the music so much more accessible to people who weren't in Cali or NY, Phili, etcDead in '88https://www.blogger.com/profile/00566039554131277645noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-30731965285880930182016-02-14T21:15:31.250-08:002016-02-14T21:15:31.250-08:00also, so many empty little gray whippet bottles on...also, so many empty little gray whippet bottles on the floor that footing was downright tricky. DC Readehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749604536905841500noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-23417884071742572015-09-28T20:12:41.093-07:002015-09-28T20:12:41.093-07:00unk, to Jeremy's point, up until the wide disp...unk, to Jeremy's point, up until the wide dispersal of the internet and broadband, the hard part was getting connected. If you liked the Dead's music, but didn't know anyone who had tapes, nor did your local head shop carry Relix, then you were in the wilderness. Yes, once you got hooked up, that was a different matter, but it wasn't always so easy to get that first connection.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-29543495353682399982015-09-27T20:44:42.067-07:002015-09-27T20:44:42.067-07:00Not sure what you're talking about, Informatio...Not sure what you're talking about, Information and tapes were both plentiful by the mid 80's. There were frequent setlists on the hotline, there was Relix magazine, the Golden Road and others. My friends and I had hundreds of tapes by the mid 80's.spabarhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15183543484993873032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-5002742334334256722014-03-19T19:55:47.164-07:002014-03-19T19:55:47.164-07:00One thing I had not considered about the Oct 17 sh...One thing I had not considered about the Oct 17 show was that from a schedule perspective it would have kicked off the fall tour, and the initial poster (from Ft Worth) featured Doug Sahm. Since Doug Sahm was not on the tour, it suggests a change in the booking plans that goes a little further than the fact that the Ft Worth show itself seems to have been canceled.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-77657486824979957872014-03-19T19:16:00.164-07:002014-03-19T19:16:00.164-07:00Tarrant County Convention Center Arena Fort Worth...Tarrant County Convention Center Arena Fort Worth TX<br /><br />listing: Texas Monthly, vol 1, no. 9, October 1973, p. 26 (Google Books);<br />listing: Ice Nine Sheet October 1973 GD dates.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-47431229622415302032014-03-19T14:26:46.596-07:002014-03-19T14:26:46.596-07:00Corry,
I sent you the photo. What about the poster...Corry,<br />I sent you the photo. What about the poster for Oct. 17, unknown year, it's gotta be '73, with Sahm and Band? <br />I can't make out the venue beyond the second line saying Convention Center. Not on Deadlists. Is it a canceled show, fake poster or is it a new found 1973 show? Doubtful but one can ask!Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-71209084471381701242013-02-15T02:41:55.079-08:002013-02-15T02:41:55.079-08:00Looking at the Dead Heads newsletter for these sho...Looking at the Dead Heads newsletter for these shows a couple of things are noteworthy:<br /><br />(1) Originally there was a third Nassau Veteran's Memorial Coliseum show scheduled for September 9. <br />(2) Doug Sahm was not listed for the shows on September 14 and 15.<br />(3) The show on the 18th was tentative (in parenthesis with question marks).The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-84493114342848394202012-11-11T21:01:59.899-08:002012-11-11T21:01:59.899-08:001973 0911: Phil invited everyone back for the seco...1973 0911: Phil invited everyone back for the second night - 9/12 and that they would "take all the chairs out so everyone could dance." This held through the 1976 show at William & Mary Hall, with chairs returning in 1978, although there were three persons per chair (standing on floor, on seat of chair and on back of chair) in 1978.Laserhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11834631861123120161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-68816690305605778262012-04-15T14:09:24.962-07:002012-04-15T14:09:24.962-07:00drbobb, its an interesting observation that Doug S...drbobb, its an interesting observation that Doug Sahm opened for the Dead and the Allmans at RFK. I knew that but had totally forgotten it. However, Sahm had been friends with the Dead for years, and by '73 his band was booked by the same agency as the Dead (Sam Cutler's). So RFK may have been a good reminder, but Sahm and his band were already in the tent. <br /><br />What may have been more likely was that if Sahm went over well at RFK, it may have encouraged his record company (Atlantic) to support Sahm opening for the Dead.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-62765710055553609612012-04-15T13:49:07.047-07:002012-04-15T13:49:07.047-07:00My recollection is that Doug Sahm and Band opened ...My recollection is that Doug Sahm and Band opened for the Dead and Allmans at RFK 6/9/73. I wonder if that set the stage for future events.<br /><br />Bob Wagnerdrbob22https://www.blogger.com/profile/18195675836047045396noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11752787349494826502012-03-26T17:03:19.454-07:002012-03-26T17:03:19.454-07:00Rick, it's nice to hear that someone read my p...Rick, it's nice to hear that someone read my post and re-thought the context of some of the Dead's music. That's one of the goals of the blog.<br /><br />Speaking personally, while I find the "horn shows" mixed, they are so different than other shows they are fascinating in their own right.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-79323794479966738942012-03-26T12:23:38.681-07:002012-03-26T12:23:38.681-07:00Just re-read this and was inspired to listen to (p...Just re-read this and was inspired to listen to (pretty much) the whole tour. Simply awesome (in places.) I actually wrote about it (and link to you) over at my place.<br /><br />http://thoughtsonthedead.wordpress.com/Rick Harrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00303210492296171745noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-68910583085721994262012-01-21T10:06:15.473-08:002012-01-21T10:06:15.473-08:00Unk, very interesting about the cancelled Sep 14 s...Unk, very interesting about the cancelled Sep 14 show. I wonder if it was a "true" cancellation, or a face-saving one due to lack of ticket sales? The test would be refunds: if Sep 14 ticket holders were refunded their money, then there really was a problem (whether Phil or not). If ticket holders were simply told to attend the 15th (meaning the two shows did not equal the capacity of one night) then it was likely face-saving.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-21534463576291155272012-01-21T09:46:50.861-08:002012-01-21T09:46:50.861-08:00Deadbase claims September 14 was cancelled because...Deadbase claims September 14 was cancelled because Phil was sick.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00990086340167506155noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-32246082221462775882012-01-20T12:18:00.292-08:002012-01-20T12:18:00.292-08:00Martin Fierro and Joe Ellis (and Doug Sahm) had al...Martin Fierro and Joe Ellis (and Doug Sahm) had also played on the Wake of the Flood album sessions in August 73. No doubt that was when they decided the Doug Sahm Band would open for the September tour. <br /><br />It's interesting to see how Fierro gets drawn back into the Garcia orbit after Hooteroll. The jerrysite says 7/19/73 was his first known show with Garcia/Saunders. Presumably there were other unknown shows - I'm vague on just when he started playing regularly with them. But anyway, summer '73 seems to be the tipping-point there. <br />In Jackson's bio, Fierro said of the tour, "To be honest, the fans didn't like the horns, so the Dead finally said 'Fuck it!' But we had a great time; it was wonderful. We rehearsed, but we didn't have written arrangements. We had head arrangements. Sometimes it sounded pretty good and sometimes it was a little rough."<br /><br />The horn players only guested on a small number of tunes in the second set - except for some simple parts in Sugar Magnolia or Truckin, mostly Wake of the Flood songs, which meant the second sets from this tour tend to be very repetitious and Wake of the Flood-heavy. It's notable that the horn players don't join the Dead's usual "big jams" on this tour, though the Eyes could get pretty far-out.<br /><br />A poster for the opening Nassau shows announces: "Start to boogie at 7:00. Fri - Sat - Sun Sept 7-8-9." It's interesting that these shows started pretty early as well, and apparently a planned show for the 9th was canceled? (Like the Providence show on the 14th.) <br />(The poster for the 9/24 show has an even earlier start time of 6:30...on a Monday night!)<br /><br />Deadlists has this note about the Syracuse stop: "An eyewitness to the 17th claims that the show originally scheduled for the 18th was canceled due to lack of ticket sales.... [But] the indication was that 9/17 was the only show scheduled." <br /><br />One Archive reviewer for the 9/11 show says: "I was a freshman at W & M for orientation week and decided to go and see who these guys were. FYI, the Doug Sahm band was the warm-up and the sax player from Doug Sahm played on Weather Report. At the end of the show (about 2:00 am as I recall), Bobby came out and said that the band had had such a good time that they decided to come back tomorrow nite (unannounced up to that point) - take out all the floor seats - general admission $3.00 per person." (Less than the first night.) <br />If the ending time was near 2 am (or even 1 am), then if it started at 7, the show would indeed have topped 6 hours. Given that our Dead tape is little over 3 hours, the intermissions must have been quite lengthy!<br /><br />Your note about the skipped days between venues is interesting - looking at 1973 in general, there are almost no times when the Dead played two consecutive days in two different cities - there was always a travel day between. <br />McNally notes that by the fall of 73, Bob Matthews was traveling in advance of the band to check out the stages they would play and how much equipment they could put on them. (A big step toward the Wall of Sound would come at the Boston 11/30 show because the stage was not wide enough for their normal setup, so the solution was to simply stack the speakers higher...)Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-28789416381285094692012-01-20T11:02:20.555-08:002012-01-20T11:02:20.555-08:00"Being a rock fan was more atomized in the ea..."Being a rock fan was more atomized in the early 1970s. All we knew was what we read in Rolling Stone, watched on Don Kirschner's Rock Concert or saw in person. Networks of tapers, much less internet message boards, were all but science fictional."<br /><br />On a personal note, it wasn't much easier for new Dead fans in the early 90's. Information was still pretty hard to come by (I never even heard the name Vince until my fourth Dead show!), not many people had computers or internet access (or even knew about the internet), and tapes were unheard of unless you knew someone who had some (and IF they were willing to copy them or lend them out). So even though we had a lot of advantages over fans in the 70's and 80's, we were still kinda out in the wilderness trying to find our way. These young kids today don't know just how good they have it!Jeremyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07231522886424791492noreply@blogger.com