tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post4210858185583506431..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: November 9-16, 1970 New York: Action House, 46th Street Rock Palace, Fillmore East (November 1970 Itinerary)Corry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-56538889274482026862023-08-23T06:01:07.516-07:002023-08-23T06:01:07.516-07:00Except for 5/1/70, which was NRPS-AGD-EGD (http://...Except for 5/1/70, which was NRPS-AGD-EGD (<a href="http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2011/05/ln-jg1970-05-01gdall-126minssbd.html" rel="nofollow">http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2011/05/ln-jg1970-05-01gdall-126minssbd.html</a>)Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-91836734626864732023-08-22T21:02:35.953-07:002023-08-22T21:02:35.953-07:00The evidence of the tapes shows that the sequence ...The evidence of the tapes shows that the sequence of sets at the four Capital Theater shows (Nov. 5, 6, 7, 8, 1970) was Acoustic Dead, NRPS, Electric Dead set(s), the same as it was at the Fillmore West shows in June and August and the Fillmore East shows of July and September. When there was no acoustic set, NRPS opened, when there was, it followed the acoustic set. The extant tapes leave no doubt about this. So do eyewitness reports -- I saw 8/19/70.Jim Powellnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-45649484658837595882021-04-13T06:45:10.556-07:002021-04-13T06:45:10.556-07:00Sounds like quite a time!Sounds like quite a time!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-13437706593109253332021-04-12T11:21:01.699-07:002021-04-12T11:21:01.699-07:00I was at the 11/23 Anderson Theater show; we (Suns...I was at the 11/23 Anderson Theater show; we (Sunshine) drove our bus down from CT and parked out front, talked to Sam Cutler about doing lights, but they already had a light show, and he asked us to do Security- at a Hells Angels gathering! He gave us tickets for our group (about 10 people), and told us to get arm bands and direct things out front until the show started. Around 4pm a local guy came onto the bus with a Yardley shave cream wooden bowl filled to the brim with acid in pill form, asked us to hand it out for free at the show. Believing we ought to know what we were working with, 3 of us dropped a tab each and went on with planning; around 5:30 we were not yet feeling much so we dropped a second...shortly afterwards, it hit hard, and we were off into a strange world...many of the Angels had 6' peeled-bark wooden cudgels; they parked bikes all across the front of the theater...I remember Pig Pen arriving and jumping up to hang between 2 large Angels...around 6pm a very large carbon arc spotlight on a trailer was lit up; soon after tht, a rival local motorcycle gang arrived in numbers and demanded to be let into the party. We 'security' guys were standing among them in the lobby, and at a moment some signal was given, the angels handed their cudgels to us security guys and punched the nearest rival gang member nearest them. We went down in a duck & cover move (probably for 4 or 5 seconds, seemed like hours), and when I stood up the rival gang had disappeared,the cops across the street were behind their cruisers with pistols drawn, and the angels near us said "Everybody inside!", and threw chins around the crash bars to secure the place. <br /> We had 3rd row seats dead center, and a small E-tank of N2O, and were settling in to await the start of the show when an angel came along and plucked several of us out of our seats, took us to the Green Room stage right and sat us at a card table with a 2' mound of weed, and just said "Roll!"...so we rolled joints for 20 min. or so, and then he sent us out to light joints and pass them down each row. They had sold about 1200 tickets- just enough to cover expenses. We also pased oround the little Yardley bowl...the Mime came out around 8:45 and using a giant prop joint entertained for about 25 min....then the New Riders, with Garcia on pedal steel, played a fairly long set...then a long break and finally the electric Dead, doing a lot of American Beauty and Workingman's Dead and some long blues with Pig singing lead and playing harp... most of the angels I met that night were friendly, well-spoken fairly interesting characters. Show ended around 4am, and it was 17 degrees when we went out--had to push-start our old Bluebird bus on 2nd Ave...before heading off to a commune in Cooperstown for the next 7 months. <br /> RIP Charlie Brown, one of our bus family that night, who died March 6, 2021 in San Diego; a real cosmic sdventurer.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07500042951408639517noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-35080954912716907292019-02-05T03:10:58.541-08:002019-02-05T03:10:58.541-08:00You delivered such an impressive piece to read, gi... You delivered such an impressive piece to read, giving every subject enlightenment for us to gain information. Thanks for sharing such information with us due to which my several concepts have been cleared. <a href="http://www.bentleyhomes.com/walnutwalk/" rel="nofollow">luxury home builders pa</a><br />Jack Johnnyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09933608625883364901noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-69973486851712288222017-03-29T12:53:10.091-07:002017-03-29T12:53:10.091-07:00The conversation never ends, it just goes on a sho...The conversation never ends, it just goes on a short break, and it'll be right back after a little while.<br /><br />This is a great link. I'd always wondered how there was certainty that Papa John Creach had jammed with the Dead, and now we know a source.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-35758909039014188682017-03-28T11:38:36.375-07:002017-03-28T11:38:36.375-07:00I found this recently, a Princeton University revi...I found this recently, a Princeton University review with photo of Jerry and Papa John of the 11-16-70 show http://theprince.princeton.edu/princetonperiodicals/cgi-bin/princetonperiodicals?a=d&d=Princetonian19701123-01.2.11&srpos=1&e=------197-en-20--1--txt-txIN-Pigpen------# I'm only 4 years late to the conversationGrateful Secondshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16866611234014012885noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-63073596622598219292013-10-24T17:10:39.199-07:002013-10-24T17:10:39.199-07:00I was at both the Action House shows - I lived in ...I was at both the Action House shows - I lived in Long Beach just south of Island Park and hung out with a bunch of people that loved the dead - I didn't but liked this crowd & acid so eventually went to a bunch of shows with them. Recollection of both not crystal clear (lots of banned substances were involved) but second night packed and semi crowded the second night and a good time was had by all. A few complaints re: sound quality, but I always went to Dead shows for the party, and it didn't bother me. The AH was a local hang to us, saw some really good shows there, and IMHO and really great local place - the parking lot was an insane place to hang out. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01053624872811093012noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-78103730860979675492013-08-06T23:31:20.096-07:002013-08-06T23:31:20.096-07:00Here it is:
http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2013/...Here it is: <br />http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2013/08/november-23-1970-anderson-theatre-nyc.htmlLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-17097680105054287972013-07-28T08:04:34.955-07:002013-07-28T08:04:34.955-07:00Sadly, no tape. I will be posting the review soon....Sadly, no tape. I will be posting the review soon.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-88798832766464850802013-07-27T10:25:16.166-07:002013-07-27T10:25:16.166-07:00I was just in touch with an old friend from Brookl...I was just in touch with an old friend from Brooklyn who's been trading tapes since the '70s and to his knowledge there is still no known tape of this show.<br /><br />Would love to see a pdf of the EVO review.zigmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04804589499086643571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-31403131742331598012013-07-27T03:12:44.373-07:002013-07-27T03:12:44.373-07:00It would be neat if the Dead had played an acousti...It would be neat if the Dead had played an acoustic set there - there was a long & accurate review of the show in the East Village Other, though, and they don't mention an acoustic set, saying it was Riders then electric Dead. I think they would have mentioned an acoustic set if there was one - they do describe the mime opening - but the writer was tripping too! <br /><br />Some songs are mentioned, including Midnight Hour, NFA, and Casey Jones near the end of the set, finishing the show with Uncle John around 3 AM. <br />http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2009/12/gdnrps-november-23-1970-anderson.html Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-74351954107424395082013-07-26T18:01:25.251-07:002013-07-26T18:01:25.251-07:00Zigmeister, thanks so much for this eyewitness rep...Zigmeister, thanks so much for this eyewitness report. Just because your memory may be foggy doesn't mean it was wrong. As I said, the tape that circulated with the Nov 23 date was actually from the week before.<br /><br />It would be very interesting if you saw what was perhaps the last acoustic set for nearly a decade (well, other than Loyola '78). Fascinating.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-26961653258184951112013-07-26T17:07:07.529-07:002013-07-26T17:07:07.529-07:00I was at the Anderson Theater Hell's Angels co...I was at the Anderson Theater Hell's Angels concert. While I was tripping my recollection is the pantomime guy was definately there. Then New Riders came and did their set and I swear the Dead then did an acoustic set, followed by a long electric set or two. The show began before 9 and I think I got out of there about 4 AM, by which time I was fairly straight. All these years the set list has Steve Winwood and other guests, kicking off with Casey Jones, and I've always known this was wrong. Casey Jones was one of the final songs that night, perhaps an encore. So as long as we don't have an accurate accounting of that night the speculation will continue (especially as to whether they played an acoustic set).zigmeisterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04804589499086643571noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-49811536552110853582010-10-31T18:10:22.107-07:002010-10-31T18:10:22.107-07:00Thanks for the interview, it's very interestin...Thanks for the interview, it's very interesting. <br />It definitely shows what a barebones tour it was when Jerry says, "We don't take anybody on the road with us or anything. We don't make that much bread... If we were making enough bread to be able to afford to do that, we would have had our own PA last night, and we would have gone through a number of sound tests to do what we could to make it better. But we don't have any control over any of that." <br />That changed pretty quickly! <br /><br />It's also interesting that the New Riders weren't at the early October shows because the Dead couldn't afford to bring them to play small places. "A lot of times the promoter says, 'No, we don't want the New Riders 'cause we don't know who the fuck they are!'" <br /><br />And Jerry still considers the Dead to be kind of a small cult band: "We're only really big here in New York. The rest of the United States - they don't know who we are, and around home, people know us just because we've been there for so long. And other places, you know, they've never heard of us in the South. We don't do that much traveling, man. We don't work all that much..." <br />He doesn't sound like a guy who's about to start a two-month tour to raving audiences!<br /> <br />And though he's used to the small crowd of fanatical deadheads at home who see every show, he's uncomfortable with the new crowd of fanatical east-coast fans: "In New York, you can't get a moment's peace... You can't go and sit somewhere and get your head together and cool yourself out a little before you play, 'cause there's a million people going 'Ahhhhh!'" <br />What's funny is that there are a bunch of comments in Archive reviews from east-coast kids about how they "hung out" with Jerry before or after a show...not quite realizing the 'pressure trip' they were laying on him.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-39927243971891122712010-10-31T15:25:30.626-07:002010-10-31T15:25:30.626-07:00The Jay Itkowitz interview is quite fascinating. H...The Jay Itkowitz interview is quite fascinating. He asks a lot of questions that (fairly or not) wouldn't get asked in later years. I love the detail that Bill Graham used to call up Kreutzmann back in 1965 or 66 for advice. <br /><br />This had to be the last tour when they went out without a sound system, quite a fascinating detail in its own right.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80146469183703801022010-10-31T15:05:52.921-07:002010-10-31T15:05:52.921-07:00I had basically reproduced the Forgotten NY Places...I had basically reproduced the Forgotten NY Places account of 11/11/70 awhile back at JGMF (<a href="http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2010/01/gd-november-11-1970-46th-street-rock.html" rel="nofollow">http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2010/01/gd-november-11-1970-46th-street-rock.html</a>). Funny stuff.<br /><br />BTW, the Crossland account of 11/23/70 is not in the <i>Village Voice</i>, but in the more underground <i>East Village Other</i>.<br /><br />I agree that this definitely seemed like a tour from hell. They needed the money, things were probably heavy re: Mickey because of Lennie, etc. etc. The shows have a kind of dark, brooding aspect to them (though this may just be some aspect of the low quality of most of the available recordings).<br /><br />By the way, the Jay Itkowitz interview of Garcia from October 11, 1970 is online at <a href="http://www.itkowitz.com/mam1965text.php?aid=260" rel="nofollow">http://www.itkowitz.com/mam1965text.php?aid=260</a>.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-23964031311966240662010-10-30T22:14:02.867-07:002010-10-30T22:14:02.867-07:00And lastly -
The Dead had also started the tour i...And lastly - <br />The Dead had also started the tour in New York, back on October 10 at Queens College - so by the time November started, they were already well into their eastern tour. Compare that to the mere 17-day eastern tour back in May '70! Clearly, either the Dead had become more assertive (or willing) in booking shows, or the demand for them had grown much greater since early '70, thanks to the new album.<br />(It's worth noting that the New Riders did not join the Dead's tour until October 23 - on Oct 10 Weir tells the audience, "Marmaduke stayed home. There's no New Riders tonight. This is the economy package.")<br /><br />Though not strictly part of this November overview, I should mention that the first show on Oct 10 in Queens had a very disruptive crowd (Festival Express-style) who tried to break in, clashed with police, blew whistles & called for a free show. The Queens college paper claimed that the Dead even left early because "they were afraid of the audience."<br />It seems the Dead on this tour were repeatedly faced with unruly mobs - a couple Archive reviewers of 11/21/70 claim that a horde of ticketless fans rushed the doors and burst into the show.<br />Garcia was interviewed by Good Times magazine the day after the Queens show, and he was quite upset: <br />"Last night, if that's an example of what it's going to be like, I'd just as soon fucking retire, man. I don't want to make any performances when there's that kind of shit going on; I really don't." <br />He was also disturbed by the new influx of fans grasping for his every moment. "Why the fuck should they mob musicians? I mean, it's weird. I don't really have anything to say, you know? That's why I play. I like to avoid adding to that celebrity bullshit. I would rather be playing good music and getting off that way than having to go on all the celebrity trips."Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-85354080052406802092010-10-30T21:45:09.143-07:002010-10-30T21:45:09.143-07:00The mysterious 11/15 Albany show: stories definite...The mysterious 11/15 Albany show: stories definitely differ about this night. (McNally adds the detail that promoter George Freije booked the Dead at the last minute after Delaney & Bonnie canceled.)<br />One reporter wrote in an article (for underground paper Lotus-Nexus) called 'Ungrateful Dead Rip Off Tri-Cities' that the Dead "walked out of the Washington Avenue Armory Sunday night with $7500 cash in their pockets without ever appearing onstage." But McNally concludes that it was a false report - the bomb threat was an excuse for the promoter to end the show early, and the Dead had not been paid after all, so they had no reason to stay. <br />Perhaps Sam Cutler would remember that evening, as he was very aggressive about getting the band's money... (Some students even claimed that Cutler would flash a gun to make his demands.) <br /><br />McNally also mentions that the October 31 Stony Brook evening was "a totally chaotic show which included a bomb threat: the gym was cleared, the audience exited - and 2000 additional people re-entered." As a result, the early show ran to midnight. <br />This Stony Brook show is also notorious for having the sound run by a student crew, much to the band's vocal displeasure. McNally makes an aside that, due to the low budget of the tour, the Dead were not carrying their own sound system - but I'm not sure if this applies to the whole tour. If so, I guess this was the last tour where that was the case!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-13905472163631987982010-10-30T21:21:03.211-07:002010-10-30T21:21:03.211-07:00Some more random comments:
For what it's wor...Some more random comments: <br /><br />For what it's worth, Marty Weinberg said he did not go to the Action House shows, but did go to the Rock Palace shows, and taped each night. But if he made tapes, they haven't survived - the one from the 11th seems not to be his. (One stray uncirculated fragment from his surviving reels, with a new Til the Morning Comes and Good Lovin', may be from one of these shows.) <br />Witnesses say the Wednesday & Thursday nights at the Rock Palace were barely half-full; but Friday & Saturday were quite crowded. Apparently Hot Tuna joined them on the first two nights. <br /><br />Our half-hour tape from the 11/9 Action House show is not too revealing (deadlists speculates it's an excerpt from a once-longer tape); the available tape dated "11/10" is a fake from other dates.<br /><br />Our (much better) tape of the 11/20 Rochester show is alleged to be Marty's - however, he says he wasn't there, and one Archive witness says a student taped the show. <br />Witnesses agree that Jefferson Airplane was playing at the Rochester Memorial Auditorium that night, and they announced that they'd be jamming with the Dead after the show. So Jorma and Jack must have made a quick dash to the Dead's show! (Clearly they knew the Dead would be playing late...)<br /><br />The Rochester show was organized by the college's concert committee. Blair Jackson talks about how the Dead aimed for colleges on this tour, since colleges had student activity groups with good budgets and a desire to book cool groups. <br />McNally mentions that the Dead's new booking agent was Ron Rainey, who specialized in setting up college shows "because colleges had budgets."Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-12748518427021538962010-10-30T19:39:36.505-07:002010-10-30T19:39:36.505-07:00whoops, you are correct about the Allmans at the T...whoops, you are correct about the Allmans at the Tea Party and not Sargent's Gym. I lost track of that detail, and I'll fix it.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-46631129603969199972010-10-30T19:28:07.413-07:002010-10-30T19:28:07.413-07:00A nice overview of a frustratingly 'lost' ...A nice overview of a frustratingly 'lost' month. It's remarkable how many shows in a row the Dead played that month - it must easily have been their most grinding tour yet, though granted there wasn't much travel time necessary. (And I think it's the tour where Garcia was first confronted with the difficulty of being a "celebrity" in NY, which I recall him giving an angry interview about.) <br />Given how many New Yorkers saw these shows, it's pretty sad how few memories/setlists/tapes are out there.<br /><br />A small query - the Allmans opened for the Dead on 11/21/70? What? I've never read this before. The Allmans were playing at the Boston Tea Party that night.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com