tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post6409363192579823756..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: North To San Francisco: The Warlocks in The South Bay, 1965Corry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger53125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-59182380980771890652022-12-11T05:36:55.103-08:002022-12-11T05:36:55.103-08:00Unknown, Please contact slipnut01@gmail.com about ...Unknown, Please contact slipnut01@gmail.com about St. Matthias and the Terrace Room. Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-30089811018507936112022-08-20T10:39:14.861-07:002022-08-20T10:39:14.861-07:00I was at that 13th Floor Elevator show at CSM and ...I was at that 13th Floor Elevator show at CSM and I am pretty sure the Dead were not on the bill. Good show, though~!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80766591775814635522022-04-24T16:25:40.186-07:002022-04-24T16:25:40.186-07:00the wonderful jerrybase reports "An item in t...the wonderful jerrybase reports "An item in the American Federation of Musicians (AFM) Local No. 6's in-house newspaper, Musical News vol. 48 no. 12 (December 1965) has Garcia registering Warlocks gigs at the Chalet Inn Room for five musicians, six nights per week beginning October 12th."<br /><br />https://jerrybase.com/events/19651012-01<br /><br />I think the first mention of it is in a August 1966 "Mojo Navigator" interview from No 4 p 5 where Jerry answers "did you play around the peninsula?" with "Yeah we organized down there and played in clubs and bars...the Fireside, the In Room, stuff like that. We played that stuff for about three or four months, six nights a week, and that's where we really learned how to play...playing five sets a night you really get hot by the third or fourth set, and you can start playing some really insane stuff."<br /><br />http://deadsources.blogspot.com/2013/02/august-1966-grateful-dead-interview.html<br /><br />Jerry also remembered it in his Rolling Stone 71/72 interviews published in the "Signpost to New Space" book on p 44-45 "we would do five sets a night, 45 on and 15 off"runonguinnesshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11089424718490613109noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-3552937550121207952022-04-24T10:43:01.760-07:002022-04-24T10:43:01.760-07:00has anyone ever been able to confirm the "5 s...has anyone ever been able to confirm the "5 sets, 5 nights a week" In Room story? maybe it was a thing in the Bay Area in the 60s, but i've been playing in NY for 50 years, and it seems a bit far-fetched. makes me wonder if it got conflated with the Beatles in Hamburg. Michael Schianohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04935676794243160489noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-72319110547217874672020-07-12T11:12:51.275-07:002020-07-12T11:12:51.275-07:00Great research! I added one of the ads to the post...Great research! I added one of the ads to the post, and also threw in a photo from the late 50s (via FB). It's nice to finally have the address locked down.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-17790621544805547862020-07-12T08:53:42.878-07:002020-07-12T08:53:42.878-07:00I believe there was a restaurant there called The ...I believe there was a restaurant there called The Chalet. The In Room may have been part of the restaurant. This ad from Feb. 1965 says it was the In-Room and was at the The Chalet:<br /><br />https://www.newspapers.com/image/52403613/?terms=%22635%2Bold%2Bcounty%22<br /><br />This one from Jan 1966 calls it the Chalet "IN" Room:<br /><br />https://www.newspapers.com/image/52425844/?terms=%22635%2Bold%2Bcounty%22<br />Dave Sorochtyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13749510769150128839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-5800337922293093222020-07-12T08:43:32.843-07:002020-07-12T08:43:32.843-07:00The In Room was actually called the Chalet "I...The In Room was actually called the Chalet "In" Room, and was located at 635 Old County Rd. in Belmont. You can see a display ad in the nwespaper for their New Year's Eve event here:<br /><br />https://www.newspapers.com/image/52546136/?terms=%22Old%2BCounty%2BRoad%22%2Bbelmont%2B%22in%2Broom%22<br /><br />The Dead aren't listed, this is just to confirm the name and street address.<br /><br />The information you recieved from Jim via "mudd" above is correct. This is indeed just a couple lots North from the Belmont Iceland" (815 Old County Road). That's an ice skating rink that is aparently still there. YOu can see the sign and entrance on this google street view:<br /><br />https://www.google.com/maps/@37.5227562,-122.2775254,3a,75y,34.41h,85.94t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s6Kytq1q-34VYITiWyYkGzA!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo1.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3D6Kytq1q-34VYITiWyYkGzA%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D25.304298%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192<br />Dave Sorochtyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13749510769150128839noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-36750562031491150192020-06-04T06:40:12.123-07:002020-06-04T06:40:12.123-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.David Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05930608512633676556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-72936212545950061332019-12-25T20:24:05.828-08:002019-12-25T20:24:05.828-08:00In a 1972 KSAN interview, Garcia reminisced about ...In a 1972 KSAN interview, Garcia reminisced about the Dead's early days, when they were the Warlocks. 'Don't Ease Me In' is brought up:<br />"That must be late '65 I guess. That's real old. That's our first single... We were still playing the bars when we did that. We played the Fireside, we played the Whisky A Go Go, we played all those joints. We even played Pierre's on Broadway. Topless... We never [played Mother's]. We couldn't make an audition there. We went up there and auditioned but they didn't like us. The Great Society auditioned the same day but they got the job." <br /><br />Garcia's a little vague on the timeline (saying "it was a long, long time ago"), but what strikes me in this list is the Whisky A Go Go. As far as we know the Dead only played the SF Whisky in March '67, but Garcia remembers it from the '65 period when they were playing bars. <br />So I'd suggest that the Warlocks actually did play in the Whisky A Go Go sometime in '65, probably unbilled. But it could have been the Whisky club in Sunnyvale, which opened in summer '65 and was a lot closer to the Dead's home grounds at the time than the San Francisco branch.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11057951134603015022019-01-08T16:26:06.172-08:002019-01-08T16:26:06.172-08:00Thanks Unk. I have heard rumblings about this. The...Thanks Unk. I have heard rumblings about this. The Continental Roller Bowl was later the Continental Ballroom, right? At 1600 Martin in Santa Clara?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-30180140156604530152019-01-08T11:31:25.670-08:002019-01-08T11:31:25.670-08:00In ‘65 I saw The Warlocks a number of times at the...In ‘65 I saw The Warlocks a number of times at the Continental Roller Bowl in Santa Clara.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00960873938629843963noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-79276598433280297262018-09-13T17:35:42.285-07:002018-09-13T17:35:42.285-07:00Nicholas Meriwether's book in the new PNW '...Nicholas Meriwether's book in the new PNW '73-74 box set asserts that the Portland acid test was "at Beaver Hall on January 6, 1966." <br /><br />While this is as close to an "official source" as we have, it is impossible to believe. With Matrix shows advertised for Jan 4-5, and a Fillmore acid test on Jan 8, a quick trip to Portland for an extra Thursday acid test is extremely unlikely. <br /><br />I tried looking up a date for the snowstorm they drove through to get to Portland. <br />Newspapers on 12/28/65 reported that a blizzard had hit the Pacific Northwest the day before and was heading down the coast to California, closing mountain highways. By 12/29/65, many state highways were closed as the storm crossed over northern California. There was heavy snow in the Mt. Shasta-Siskiyou area, which the Dead drove through.<br />Unfortunately it wasn't the only storm. On January 4, 1966, another blizzard hit northern California, with the same area north of Eureka beset by heavy snow, flooding, and road closures.<br />(Around Christmas 1965, there had been a blizzard in the Sierras in eastern California, but no problems were reported in northern CA near Oregon.)<br /><br />Anyway, I'm now leaning towards a New Year's acid test. Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-5474804100132652682018-03-02T18:26:16.602-08:002018-03-02T18:26:16.602-08:00David Grisman saw the Warlocks sometime in 1965; h...David Grisman saw the Warlocks sometime in 1965; he later told Relix, "They played high school swimming pool parties!" <br />It was just a brief nonspecific comment, but it makes me think that when he saw them, they were indeed playing at some local teen's house party. Just imagine the kids splashing in the pool while the Warlocks bash out some Stones tunes! Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-43158642600107894092017-01-07T23:21:44.418-08:002017-01-07T23:21:44.418-08:00Thanks for correcting this as I know for a fact Th...Thanks for correcting this as I know for a fact The Dead did not adopt that name until 1966 and were the Warlocks all of 1965. I saw them many times at the Cinnamon Tree battling against the Knightriders and William Penn and his Pals and The Mystics. They also battled at the Terrace Club in RWC and St. Matthias as I recall. I was a huge Knightrider fan and thought they were the hottest group back then.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14927907747559432000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-5902909738051877392017-01-07T23:18:08.324-08:002017-01-07T23:18:08.324-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14927907747559432000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-75328257899827339292016-11-18T15:27:30.522-08:002016-11-18T15:27:30.522-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Bloggerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07287821785570247118noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-31027726413620268982013-10-11T13:02:14.539-07:002013-10-11T13:02:14.539-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04838678257815923162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-1390487637792507142012-12-10T10:07:42.944-08:002012-12-10T10:07:42.944-08:00Big Al's Gashouse address is 4335 El Camino ac...Big Al's Gashouse address is 4335 El Camino according to a glass ashtray I found on Flickr. Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-79831962085462082352012-09-19T19:41:05.000-07:002012-09-19T19:41:05.000-07:00I'm still waiting for an Acid Test Transcript....I'm still waiting for an Acid Test Transcript.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80222183354095527352012-09-17T02:19:24.645-07:002012-09-17T02:19:24.645-07:00As an aside, Mountain Girl's Acid Test Graduat...As an aside, Mountain Girl's Acid Test Graduation Diploma sold at auction last night for $24,255.00 including fees. The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80228745757495263072012-09-17T02:16:54.874-07:002012-09-17T02:16:54.874-07:00Interestingly, there was a stock Acid Test poster ...Interestingly, there was a stock Acid Test poster pulled from a telegraph pole at the time. It does not mention Portland specifically but the lady who owned it gave some detail regarding the lack of advertising and and attendance. The implication is that it was put on at short notice. I guess we have enough to write this up now. I will do a little more digging and try and get something done soon.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-55470364217282426012012-09-17T01:31:03.901-07:002012-09-17T01:31:03.901-07:00Re: the 13th Floor Elevators -
The COAU site says...Re: the 13th Floor Elevators - <br />The COAU site says they canceled both the Aug 26 & 27 Fillmore shows - did they actually play the 26th? <br />The Mojo Navigator that week said that "the 13th Floor Elevator failed to show at the Fillmore last Saturday night due to contractual obligations with the Avalon," which seems like it would have affected Friday night as well. But you may have seen more accurate info.<br />In any case, the Dead were playing in Pescadero on those days.<br /><br />So presumably Garcia could not have heard them live when he was interviewed. (He says, "the 13th Floor Elevator, they're supposed to be up at the Avalon this weekend, their sound is like a San Francisco sound sort of, a little like Big Brother.")<br />It's possible he never saw them live til 10/16/66.<br /><br />Here's a poster for the 13th Floors' 10/15/66 CSM show: <br />http://s226.photobucket.com/albums/dd100/Girlhowdy233/?action=view&current=normal_San_Mateo_Oct_66.jpg&mediafilter=images Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-18508547621924411282012-09-17T00:33:17.098-07:002012-09-17T00:33:17.098-07:00I forgot that the Dead were billed at the Matrix o...I forgot that the Dead were billed at the Matrix on January 15 '66....sigh. There goes my theory. <br /><br />It still seems incredible to me that the Pranksters would stage an acid test on either Christmas or New Year's, but I guess it's so.<br />Granted maybe none of that crowd had families, as Corry suggests; but it must have been a very sparsely-attended acid test in Portland (how much advance word would there have been in any case?) - which may be one reason it's not well-remembered!<br /><br />Though I like to trust witnesses as much as possible, I'm not sure I'd rely on anyone's current memory for the specific date... True, Rosie had met Phil at one of the previous Tests; but it would challenge the best of us to recall the date of a specific weekend 45 years ago... Online sources like deadlists or postertrip do place the Portland Test on Jan 15 (per Owsley), but it seems they were wrong. <br /><br />There is a fragment of contemporary evidence. This page transcribes an ad for the January Trips Festival: <br />http://foundsf.org/index.php?title=THE_ACID_TEST <br />Note the passage: "The Acid Test has been conducted in recent weeks at Santa Cruz, San Jose, Palo Alto, Portland, San Francisco, here, and is snowballing fast." <br />That list of cities is suspiciously chronological, and it places Portland in-between the 12/18 and 1/8 Acid Tests. (I wonder where "here" is?) <br /><br />Tom Wolfe's book also sums up the post-Muir Beach Acid Tests at the start of chapter 19: <br />"The Pranksters went on to hold Acid Tests in Palo Alto, Portland, Oregon, two in San Francisco, four in and around Los Angeles, and three in Mexico..." <br />There, too, Portland is in between Palo Alto & SF.<br /><br />I see a very confused wikipedia entry currently splits the difference and places a Portland acid test on both 12/24/65 and 1/15/66 (while omitting Palo Alto)... Ha!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-18353732216573454772012-09-16T18:53:10.552-07:002012-09-16T18:53:10.552-07:00I am thinking both have been sucked in by common m...I am thinking both have been sucked in by common misconception and probably a Google search. Perhaps they didn't think as much about it as us sad old folks do. The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-69381036620042298732012-09-16T11:34:39.407-07:002012-09-16T11:34:39.407-07:00I just read Rosie McGee's book, very interesti...I just read Rosie McGee's book, very interesting for the likes of us. She dates the Portland acid test as the weekend of January 14th, but she did not attend it. It was a very important period in her life--she had just met Phil Lesh--so there is reason to think her memories are not just casual.<br /><br />On the other hand, she cites various sources as triggers for her memory, including Phil's autobiography, so it's also possible that while she didn't see Phil the weekend of the 14th, he was just busy and she has now imposed the memory of the Portland Acid Test onto it.<br /><br />In general, the book is well written and includes many interesting details about the inner workings of the Dead family, particularly on the cash flow side. Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.com