tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post6417156405381102708..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: August 14-15, 1971 Berkeley Community Theater, Berkeley, CA--Ned LaginCorry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-82897822623276119442023-06-02T09:07:41.849-07:002023-06-02T09:07:41.849-07:00Nice post thank you RichelleNice post thank you RichelleAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-86510863109120603592019-01-23T06:17:18.095-08:002019-01-23T06:17:18.095-08:00Thanks, Reverend Bobo! Were you there?Thanks, Reverend Bobo! Were you there?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-71067267865172447012019-01-21T18:26:12.604-08:002019-01-21T18:26:12.604-08:00Thanks for this. We talked about it on a different...Thanks for this. We talked about it on a different thread, but didnt have an exact date<br /><br />Link here: http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-grateful-dead-merl-saunders-at-new.htmlCorry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-52048341428775123972019-01-21T15:35:17.176-08:002019-01-21T15:35:17.176-08:00On 6/4/1971 the Dead played a surprise show at the...On 6/4/1971 the Dead played a surprise show at the New Monk instead of the Jerry Garcia band.Reverend Bobohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08196158547508589792noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-75637891579401484992018-03-24T12:30:47.687-07:002018-03-24T12:30:47.687-07:00ned has released a new, remastered, 2 CD 'seas...ned has released a new, remastered, 2 CD 'seastones'. it is available through the store at his web site. you can read the album notes here http://spiritcats.com/seastones.html. <br /><br />p.s. it is great!nedbasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310453607928460178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-9277729993535064742018-03-22T14:53:24.643-07:002018-03-22T14:53:24.643-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.nedbasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310453607928460178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-86538649495640028582016-04-28T10:18:36.712-07:002016-04-28T10:18:36.712-07:00Ned Lagin has an official website Spiritcats.com ...Ned Lagin has an official website <a href="http://spiritcats.com" rel="nofollow"> Spiritcats.com </a> !nedbasehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09310453607928460178noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-29153921741199065752013-05-03T02:57:12.375-07:002013-05-03T02:57:12.375-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07025178406430342355noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-52776674897771894412012-11-24T16:38:29.490-08:002012-11-24T16:38:29.490-08:00On Labor Day weekend in Sept 2007, I was visiting ...On Labor Day weekend in Sept 2007, I was visiting friends in Morro Bay, Calif. One morning we drove to nearby Los Osos to a locally owned coffee shop, where we sat outside and had our lattes and scones. Two very cool ladies about my Mom's age sat next to us. They apologized for their small dogs that were jumping on us, which sparked a conversation between all of us. We told them that we all were landscape architects, and we asked what their professions were. One of the ladies told us she was once a concert promoter for Bill Graham in the Bay Area, and that she toured with the Grateful Dead and other 1960s and 1970s-era rock bands. She also mentioned that she lived with Vince Guaraldi. She was surprised when I told her I was a big fan of Vince, as I was also a piano major in college. I always think of this lady whenever I play any of Vince's pieces on the piano, and now I know her name was Gretchen Katamay. I was hoping to run into her again on my next visit to Los Osos, but I was sad to read that she died in 2009. My condolences to her family and friends. From a fan of Vince and Gretchen in Idaho...Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11282699006366150102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-48248592295412703372012-11-02T14:24:42.825-07:002012-11-02T14:24:42.825-07:00Tony, great research. I have since found out that ...Tony, great research. I have since found out that Gretchen was Gauraldi's girlfriend, not his wife. This comes from Derrick Bang's great biography of Vince. It's Derrick's blog you quote, too, and the source for his speculation about New Year's is, in fact, me. We are all coming to similar conclusions, even if we can't yet pin it down.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-87827464039032407732012-11-02T13:58:07.614-07:002012-11-02T13:58:07.614-07:00This post and comments are a fantastic read. The m...This post and comments are a fantastic read. The mysteries with Lagin and Guaraldi are certainly quite intriguing. <br /><br />There was a question raised about Guaraldi's wife and identifying her. Some quick research revealed that Vincent Guaraldi married Shirley Moskowitz in 1953 and divorced in 1966 (or possibly 1968 as the CA Divorce index has two listings). Shirley died on July 5, 1989.<br /><br />In searching for information on Shirley, I came across this website;<br /><br />http://fivecentsplease.org/dpb/VinceGuaralditimeline.html<br /><br />Which speculates about Vince playing with the Dead on 12/31/1968 and mentions his girlfriend, Gretchen, who worked for Bill Graham's Millard Agency;<br /><br />"Winterland, San Francisco. Could this have been when Guaraldi jammed onstage with the Grateful Dead? This ambitious, all-night New Year's Eve bash featured the Dead, Santana, It's a Beautiful Day and Quicksilver Messenger Service. Guaraldi's girlfriend, Gretchen, would have been present as a representative of concert promoter Bill Graham's Millard Agency. Guaraldi likely would have been at her side ... but would he have joined the Dead onstage, at some point during the night? We await proof..."<br /><br />Another search reveals the girlfriend's identity as Gretchen Katamay. It appears that she was interviewed for at least one Guaraldi bio. I found a Social Security Death Index record for a Gretchen Georgann Katamay born Nov 8, 1941, died Jan 28, 2009 in Los Osos CA. I could not confirm that they are the same person.<br /><br />Tony Masiellohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15824358098887748513noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-3068523245635241042011-04-06T11:43:19.925-07:002011-04-06T11:43:19.925-07:00A couple more notes on 4/7/71:
The mix is uneven ...A couple more notes on 4/7/71: <br />The mix is uneven on this show, with a lot of changes. (According to the Taping Compendium, the reels were labeled, "First night for new mixer"...so this may not be the sure hand of Betty!) <br />Personally I think this is a dog of a show, a real off-night - I wonder if the band came on late? At the end Garcia apologizes that they can't play more because of the curfew, but the entire second set is little more than a half-hour! <br />On 4/8 they make up for it - the second set on 4/8 is as long as the entire show on 4/7! <br />But the short set on 4/7 also makes me wonder if we're missing a LOT of music after the cut...Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-12409263992178283832011-04-06T11:29:33.244-07:002011-04-06T11:29:33.244-07:00I think the most likely extra singer in Johnny B G...I think the most likely extra singer in Johnny B Goode is Pigpen. (That seems to be him on organ, very quietly.)<br />I didn't hear even the whisper of a piano in St Stephen - however, there is definitely one in the jam that follows, very faint. Shades of 4/15/70 - ironically, of course the tape cuts in the worst possible spot. The only worthwhile moment in the show, and it's lost!<br /><br />I'm surprised there was even a piano onstage, as I'm pretty sure the Dead were not carrying a piano on that tour. But if one was set up for Ned's "guest spot", of course they didn't mic it, so it would be all but inaudible to anyone not on-stage!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-60410517333572186612011-04-05T21:05:45.774-07:002011-04-05T21:05:45.774-07:00Stray piano definitely points toward Ned. What wit...Stray piano definitely points toward Ned. What with onstage monitors, drum mics, and so on, I'm not surprised that we may get the occasional whiff of the onstage sound that the band was hearing, even if the "house" sound didn't include the piano. Like all ghosts, there is just the faintest corporeal sound.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-39284838792504286592011-04-05T21:03:30.839-07:002011-04-05T21:03:30.839-07:00That's true. Marmaduke did some yodeling a cou...That's true. Marmaduke did some yodeling a couple days previous on some tune or another, so he was definitely on the east coast. Vocals or no, there's a non-Pig-like piano vaguely audible in places.Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08985467102325218695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-57226578267218491362011-04-05T20:21:34.887-07:002011-04-05T20:21:34.887-07:00Ned singing? That would be a fascinating twist. I ...Ned singing? That would be a fascinating twist. I will say, if there's any song where a group would let an old pal come up and sing along, it would be "Johnny B Goode," so it may just be the proverbial "friend of the band," including a New Rider.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-6457914930302547832011-04-05T20:14:51.952-07:002011-04-05T20:14:51.952-07:00Was just listening to the April 7th '71 show f...Was just listening to the April 7th '71 show from Boston Music Hall and noticed there's a dude singing the chorus of "Johnny B. Goode" along side Jerry, Bobby, and Phil. Ned, perhaps singing from Pig's organ mic? <br /><br />There's a piano audible to me in a few places, especially some upper register stuff during "St. Stephen."Jessehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08985467102325218695noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-60041654872164962832010-12-06T11:18:03.977-08:002010-12-06T11:18:03.977-08:00Nedsters Dilberting Around…..from the forthcoming ...Nedsters Dilberting Around…..from the forthcoming Hypnocrates From The Future <br /><br />so collegian fred arrow strolls up and sez….'and mebbe I kin play with you guys one time'….sure dude…anytime….come on down….and the bozos let teddy play to his hearts content….then after the kezar shew….the grand vinzikoff winks at Ned and says to Zed….yeah….i know they let you sit in back then...but they weren't gonna blast your shit into their pa now....you didn't think....they didn't tell you????.....nah!Fitzy McGibbhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12038975319347468721noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-12482155110004818552010-10-05T21:17:10.236-07:002010-10-05T21:17:10.236-07:00A comment on another blog says
"I've jus...A comment on another blog says<br /><br />"I've just completed a feature-length musical documentary on Vince Guaraldi where Vince's work with the Dead is addressed. You can actually see Vince on the back cover of the Dead's Aoxomoxoa album. He's standing with his hand on the horse in the background of the photo." <br /><br /><br />http://kinkypaprika.blogspot.com/2010/09/ned-and-vince.html?showComment=1285946676958#c1631430588524351392<br /><br />very intriguing. Maybe there is a lot more to this story yet.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-23332321121304560602010-08-02T23:47:34.250-07:002010-08-02T23:47:34.250-07:00I was at the Alexandra Palace shows (first and thi...I was at the Alexandra Palace shows (first and third nights) in London in September 1974 and there was a Seastones set played on the third night only. There was certainly a film crew at all of the Ally Pally shows so this may appear at some point. RossThe Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-72745601883613515132010-08-01T22:35:43.052-07:002010-08-01T22:35:43.052-07:00A brief Ned addition - another commenter noted tha...A brief Ned addition - another commenter noted that Ned's visible on the GD Movie DVD (during the bonus Dark Star). <br />Here's another brief & blurry video clip of Ned: from Paris 9/21/74, the last 40 seconds of Playing in the Band - you can see Ned playing right beside Garcia. (Keith's way in the back of this shot.)<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__D5TtaV8qU <br /><br />The quality's not so good and there's only 3 short clips circulating from this vid so far, but we can hope more will emerge someday... (One wonders if that whole Seastones exists on film?)Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-40384727084978766022010-07-30T00:38:19.015-07:002010-07-30T00:38:19.015-07:00From Tom Constanten's book, an interesting ref...From Tom Constanten's book, an interesting reference, when he talks about his difficulty fitting in with the group: <br />"Comparing the problems more experienced players, like Vince Guaraldi and Howard Wales, encountered in interacting with the band, I began to suspect that some of the band members didn't have that clear an idea of the keyboard's role in a guitar band... Phil pointedly remarked how much he preferred Howard Wales's playing when he sat in with the band."<br /><br />Though this is a rather vague quote with no firm dates, it does offer a couple surprises: First, that Constanten was aware that Guaraldi had some 'problems' when he sat in with the Dead (strongly implying that it was during TC's tenure, though he could well have heard about later sit-ins as well). <br /><br />Also, that Phil was enthusiastic about Wales playing with the Dead in '69... The one show we know about is the 8/28/69 'Hartbeats' gig, which could be the show that excited Phil, but the implication is there were more jams between them than that one show. (I don't think we have confirmed Garcia/Wales shows til April '70?)Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11908966669131215282010-05-11T10:21:39.470-07:002010-05-11T10:21:39.470-07:00Another Vince Guaraldi Matrix date that I have new...Another Vince Guaraldi Matrix date that I have newly discovered is November 20-22, 1969. The Dead had a gig in Sacramento on Saturday Nov 21, but Garcia seems otherwise to have been free.<br /><br />I'm finding the idea that Garcia sat in with Guaraldi more persuasive than the other way around. Second hand accounts that they had played together may merely have assumed that Vince sat in with the Dead, without realizing Jerry's penchant for dropping in.<br /><br />Another possibility would be relatively untraceable daytime jams at the Family Dog. I'm trying to figure out the name of Vince Guaraldi's wife, to see if I can determine if she really did work with the Dead, whether in the office or in some other way.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-47535079247586235002010-05-11T02:28:52.452-07:002010-05-11T02:28:52.452-07:00Just to throw in my two cents worth. I took a look...Just to throw in my two cents worth. I took a look through all of the known Vince Guaraldi dates at the Matrix and cross-referenced them against Dead/Garcia performances. The results are that Vince Guaraldi performed at the Matrix on the following dates - all of which are open for Garcia: January 8-9, 1970, September 28, 1970 and October 8-10, 1970.<br /> <br />The most interesting looks to be September 28 which was advertised as "Vince Guaraldi and Friends".The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-83745290282156810022010-05-10T21:16:14.710-07:002010-05-10T21:16:14.710-07:00LIA, 4/15/70 is a great observation. The way the o...LIA, 4/15/70 is a great observation. The way the organ comes on in that insane Other One segment sounds utterly unlike anything Pigpen could ever have done.<br /><br />I also think it's possible folks might be conflating playing around with Jerry on the side with playing around with the GD.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.com