tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post7148536004739787710..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: March 11, 1968 Civic Auditorium, Sacramento, CA: Cream/Grateful Dead (Monday Night Live)Corry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-47445412713670439882023-03-19T20:17:48.709-07:002023-03-19T20:17:48.709-07:00💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙💙Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-70723385031990492352023-03-19T20:15:59.233-07:002023-03-19T20:15:59.233-07:00Amazing history.... Thank you for sharing.... Love...Amazing history.... Thank you for sharing.... Loved the Read 💖... Sunshine Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-65915716356767228832021-12-01T02:08:44.478-08:002021-12-01T02:08:44.478-08:00Most likely not taped, alas. The Dead apparently o...Most likely not taped, alas. The Dead apparently only recorded their Carousel shows that March. <br />Although Owsley was the soundman at the Carousel, Healy was the guy in charge of recording the Dead's shows at the time, so Owsley didn't have a hand in the Anthem tapes. <br />The Carousel was probably closed on March 11 - the "opening night" under the new band management was March 15. Buck Owens had played there on March 9.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-13020148662422136952021-11-28T22:42:40.133-08:002021-11-28T22:42:40.133-08:00I don't think I've ever fully appreciated ...I don't think I've ever fully appreciated the impact of Cream, particularly on the Dead during such a tremendously pivotal point for them in late 1967. And of course Graham was instrumental in it all, changing an entire musical landscape through business.<br /><br />You have to curse yet another 1968 tape that got away. You'd think they would have recorded the Dead's set, the Carousel run days later was recorded for Anthem. As was the Carousel gigs at the end of March, albeit in that weird pseudo sbd/aud matrix sounding experiment, so they were clearly still recording and looking for live material. Maybe Mickey's overly proud assessment is completely divorced from reality once again, and they were if anything intimidated at the prospect of opening for a band most of them openly praised as one of the best bands in the world. They may have figured that nerves would render the performance shaky and unusable. They probably had Monterey fresh in their minds, figured they'd blow another big one so why bother. Or it was taped and disappeared. Or, 99% likely, it just sadly wasn't taped. Bummer.<br /><br />But I also wonder about Owsley. Would Healy have been running sound in Sacramento and otherwise handling the recording for the album at the time? And what was the schedule at the Carousel at that time, would Bear have been obligated to work sound? I half forgot half don't know the details of all that and who was running the board between Healy and Bear in that era, and if the Carousel even had Monday night shows (unlikely?). Jim Fhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07775659356285581409noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-28104323002528550572016-08-22T16:24:20.230-07:002016-08-22T16:24:20.230-07:00There was a brief review of both Cream and The Dea...There was a brief review of both Cream and The Dead in the Sacramento Express of March 15 '68, accessible here (http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc?a=d&d=EXP19680315.1.4&srpos=33&e=01-01-1967-01-01-1971--en--20--21--txt-txIN-Grateful+Dead-------1Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-90250775442902565442016-03-04T13:59:45.934-08:002016-03-04T13:59:45.934-08:003/3/68 Smokestack Garcia is doing a little "S...3/3/68 Smokestack Garcia is doing a little "Spoonful" thing late 4 minute range, IMO. <br /><br />Also, note that the Garcia-Casady-Hart thing (e.g., the Olompali jam July 28, 1968) was explicitly conceived as a Cream style power trio.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-64485110164874272762016-03-04T11:12:48.759-08:002016-03-04T11:12:48.759-08:00Thanks for tracking this down. I adjusted the post...Thanks for tracking this down. I adjusted the post accordingly.<br /><br />The ever-polite Eric clearly not impressed with the first GD album.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-40928121598544839102016-03-04T10:46:08.226-08:002016-03-04T10:46:08.226-08:00Of course, Cream didn't think much of SF music...Of course, Cream didn't think much of SF music in general, aside from a few bands (like the Butterfield band, Electric Flag, and Moby Grape's record). <br />Clapton: "I was actually pretty contemptuous of the West Coast rock & roll scene... I thought they sounded pretty second-rate... As much as I saw of the bands that were killing them there - I mean Big Brother and the Jefferson Airplane - I was very unimpressed." <br />Bruce: "They were crap. All those bands - none of them were any good... Not so much the Grateful Dead, I never saw the Dead at that time, but all those other bands....crap."<br /><br />The Airplane members noticed that Cream held themselves aloof from the bands around them and had a rather superior air, but they didn't care. Kaukonen later said, "When I saw Cream for the first time, I thought they were the most incredible performing band I had ever seen in my life. That might still be true." <br />Many witnesses affirm that Cream's shows at the Fillmore were major events, astonishing all who went and making the local bands sound like "a joke in comparison." Many people (like Garcia) would then try to see Cream as often as possible.<br /><br />I think Mickey Hart's little reminiscence of the Dead's show with Cream shows a competitive spirit, at least in his mind: "We were the best band in the world that night... They were trying to reach our intensity." (More likely the other way around!) <br />The story about the Dead replacing Cream's burnt-out equipment...may have gone a little differently than he remembers. Cream did play very loudly, at maximum volume (to their own distress - Jack Casady said, "Clapton was telling me that he couldn't hear anymore"), so it's likely their speakers suffered. <br />But when they got replaced by the Dead's less overdriven amps - "it was so clear...they were used to feeding back through all their Marshalls." Mickey says Clapton was "scared," but I'd imagine Cream may have been struggling to try to reproduce the tones and feedback they'd normally get.<br /><br />Owsley was also a frequent visitor to Cream's shows. Clapton remembered, "He showed up at all our gigs... We did a lot of acid, took a lot of trips.... I don't know how many times we tried to play while using acid, but there were a few... I don't really know how I got through it."<br /><br />Many more quotes at: <br />http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2010/03/cream-and-dead.html Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-23998559435257630172016-03-04T10:45:01.383-08:002016-03-04T10:45:01.383-08:00Garcia & Hart may have gone to see Cream at th...Garcia & Hart may have gone to see Cream at the March 10 '68 show - Hart remembered it being at the Winterland, and I believe the photos of Clapton & Garcia together were taken on March 10. <br />At any rate, even if it was a few days earlier, it shows how eager Garcia was to see Cream again that he'd go even though the Dead were about to play a show with them! <br /><br />Clapton was evidently less impressed with the Dead. Unfortunately we don't know his reaction to their live show (if any), but he was asked about their record in the 5/11/68 Rolling Stone - <br />Q: What about the groups you've seen in San Francisco?<br />Clapton: I haven't seen any; we haven't had time...<br />Q: Have you heard the Grateful Dead record?<br />Clapton: Yeah, it's great.<br />Q: Peter Townshend said he saw the Dead at the Pop Festival, and called them 'one of the original ropeys.'<br />Clapton: Ropey! That means a drag. I don't think the quality of their music is as high as a lot of other good recording bands. People are more concerned with live music, maybe, than with recording... If the Grateful Dead are one of the best, they're not doing a very good job on record.<br />Q: What do you think of the guitar playing? ...<br />Clapton: It's very good, and very tight, but it's not really my bag. <br />[Note how he qualifies "it's great" with a clear lack of enthusiasm for the record. He seems to just want to agree with the interviewer.] <br />Q: What hits you the most about San Francisco?<br />Clapton: The first thing that hit me really hard was that the Grateful Dead were playing a lot of gigs for nothing. That very much moved me. I've never heard of anyone doing that before. That really is one of the finest steps that anyone has taken in music yet.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-74923160179898164842016-03-04T10:04:13.125-08:002016-03-04T10:04:13.125-08:00Jefferson Airplane also went to see Cream, and wer...Jefferson Airplane also went to see Cream, and were blown away. They talked about it to Ralph Gleason: <br />Kantner - "There ain't nobody going to be on top of them for a good while - til they break up."<br />Balin - "I'm knocked out by the Cream... They're great, [and] they know they're good"<br />Casady - "The Cream, as far as I'm concerned, is phenomenal. The Cream sat all the rock & roll bands in San Francisco up; made 'em listen...this English group came in and just blew them off the stage. There's no doubt about it, they're fantastic." <br />Kaukonen - "Clapton is really a beautiful cat, he's very relaxed...he has a great awareness of his music, he really knows his stuff; but on top of that, what makes him so superior to guys who are technically as good as he is, is he's really free... He always did his own thing, never sounded like anybody else at all."<br />http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2011/08/some-airplane-comments.html <br /><br />The Grateful Dead had also played Governor's Hall in Sacramento on 12/28/66 (the "Beaux Arts Ball" with QMS). Jerry later wrote to a fan who'd seen them there, "When we played in Sacramento we felt that our performance was far below standard. I'm sorry you haven't heard us on a good night."<br /><br />It's also worth mentioning that the Dead opened for Cream again, in a way - they played before a showing of Cream's Farewell Concert movie in Pasadena's Rose Palace, 5/10/69. <br />http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2011/10/may-10-1969-rose-palace-pasadena-ca.html Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-20416621328708998672016-03-03T17:26:27.721-08:002016-03-03T17:26:27.721-08:00In 1968, Episcopalian priest Lee Page started Home...In 1968, Episcopalian priest Lee Page started Homefront, located inside St. Paul's Episcopal Church at Fifteenth and J Streets. Shows at Homefront featured local bands like the Blue Cheer (featuring members of Oxford Circle) and Big Foot, whose performances were enhanced by psychedelic light shows by Edison Lights (Jim Carrico and Don Nelson) and Captain Nemo. Carrico also drew psychedelic poster art for Home Front shows. Home Front closed after the summer of 1968.(1)<br /><br /><br />1.)^Burg, William, Sacramento's K Street:Where Our City Was Born, pg. 142, http://books.google.com/books?id=ZVMHSSjcnWMC&pg=PA141&lpg=PA141&dq=st.+paul%27s+episcopal+church,+homefront,+sacramento&source=bl&ots=rDg2tg11w3&sig=BnRmcI71NvfOQBchBVvpBX2dVMw&hl=en&sa=X&ei=XnsvUbrGO4mpiQLcwYGYCw&ved=0CDAQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=st.%20paul%27s%20episcopal%20church%2C%20homefront%2C%20sacramento&f=false<br />Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-87976835203692226332016-03-03T17:24:54.948-08:002016-03-03T17:24:54.948-08:00What about 10/5/68 Grateful Dead? [3]
The Youngblo...What about 10/5/68 Grateful Dead? [3]<br />The Youngbloods also performed.<br />Promoter Whitney Davis[8]<br />This show may have been moved to St. Paul's Episcopal Church, also on J Street. The original venue, Memorial Auditorium was double booked so the show was supposedly moved here. The Homefront had closed that summer.<br />"As I remember it, you probably couldn't get more than 120 people in there.”(3)<br /><br />3.)^Newhaall, Dennis, Sacramento Rock and Roll Museum, email to author, 2013-02-28.<br /><br />Can anyone verify this?Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.com