tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post7278438029878697950..comments2024-03-16T07:13:50.487-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: Grateful Dead/Jerry Garcia Tour Itinerary July-August 1969Corry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11780291420221104572023-08-18T07:22:02.705-07:002023-08-18T07:22:02.705-07:00My brother got to the Woodstock festival on the We...My brother got to the Woodstock festival on the Wednesday prior to the festival beginning.<br />He says that probably on the Thursday there was a huge bonfire and the Grateful Dead played a free impromptu set. Can anyone else add to this ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-41921561930914802482020-05-14T00:44:47.700-07:002020-05-14T00:44:47.700-07:00The Columbia County Historical Society in Oregon h...The Columbia County Historical Society in Oregon has an interesting recap of the 8-23-69 show at Pelletier Farm. Minimal Dead details but a lot of engaging atmosphere from a little festival pulled together a week after Woodstock.<br /><br />https://www.facebook.com/colcomuseum/posts/bullfrog-in-st-helens-part-2-mrs-pelletiers-farm-located-in-a-little-valley-know/2640075749371009/Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15452206219434460235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80423275222326251972020-05-14T00:44:13.555-07:002020-05-14T00:44:13.555-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15452206219434460235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-33212754359100256902016-03-25T18:08:59.793-07:002016-03-25T18:08:59.793-07:00>>>how did you make the leap from Evergre...>>>how did you make the leap from Evergreen Estate to Cranbury Park?<<<<br /><br />It's a best guess, based on what little information I could glean from the Intertubes.<br /><br />Do you think there would be another location? A different mansion or estate (or former estate), perhaps?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-30380624634400993192016-03-23T18:18:24.199-07:002016-03-23T18:18:24.199-07:00Re: July 10, 1969 Evergreen Estate, Norwalk, CT
...Re: July 10, 1969 Evergreen Estate, Norwalk, CT <br /><br />This fascinates me because I spent many a day in my youth in the early 80's hanging out with my friends at this park, often listening to the Dead on a car stereo or a boombox. It was quite the party spot back then. I had never heard this rumor, but I've posted a link to this blog on several Facebook groups, and one guy said he had heard this rumor years ago, so that adds the slightest touch of intrigue. Another person suggested that perhaps Norwalk, CA, was a more plausible possibility.<br /><br />Corry, my question to you is how did you make the leap from Evergreen Estate to Cranbury Park?GChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14291967030566279357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-54800865420664180022016-03-23T18:16:42.768-07:002016-03-23T18:16:42.768-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.GChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14291967030566279357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-82931348626891561402016-03-23T18:15:37.837-07:002016-03-23T18:15:37.837-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.GChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14291967030566279357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-91962218456415292722016-03-23T18:14:46.390-07:002016-03-23T18:14:46.390-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.GChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14291967030566279357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-33777828748347143262015-06-23T18:37:23.915-07:002015-06-23T18:37:23.915-07:00I wonder if professional rivalry also came into pl...I wonder if professional rivalry also came into play. <br />I don't know about Fleetwood Mac's reasons, but the Dead may have regarded the newly-opened Family Dog as a kind of second Carousel, where they could play for Graham's competitor. <br /><br />I don't know just when they cancelled or how early Family Dog shows were booked (someone would have to check newspaper ads), but was it normal practice for a band to be billed at the Family Dog on August 1-3, then the Fillmore West on August 5-7? Whatever support Graham might have given Chet Helms, that seems like a schedule that would make his hair fly out.<br /><br />Not only that, but the Dead proceeded to play the Family Dog several more times at the end of August & early September. Once they even brought Jefferson Airplane, who hardly ever played for Helms. The Dead didn't play for Graham in SF for a couple more months.<br /><br />You've argued that the Family Dog was hardly competition for Graham, and he even helped fund it, but the Dead may have thought differently at the time.<br /><br />On the other hand, perhaps Graham gave the Dead his blessing. They'd play the Family Dog again on November 1, just a few days after a Winterland run.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-12444468559879563002015-06-23T17:47:13.966-07:002015-06-23T17:47:13.966-07:00I did not realize there was a canceled Tuesday>...I did not realize there was a canceled Tuesday>Thursday booking at Fillmore West for Grateful Dead/Fleetwood Mac. However, there are a number of issues in play. <br /><br />First of all, the concern about the upcoming Wild West Festival (Aug 21-23) would have been very real. We are used to the idea that the Dead could sell out infinite shows in the Bay Area, but that wasn't really true back then. So the thinking would have been that booking the Dead at FW would have made their fans less likely to come out to Wild West at Kezar.<br /><br />This is made all the more confusing by the fact that the Millard Agency, part of the Bill Graham empire, was probably booking the Dead. So it begs the question, why would the Dead have played Family Dog if Millard didn't want them to play FW, because of Wild West? There are two possible non-exclusive answers<br />1) the Dead agreed to play FDGH themselves, without going through Millard, and<br />2) Millard didn't consider a booking at the distant and smaller FDGH a threat to anyone who might attend Wild West. FDGH didn't draw much from the suburbs, as far as I can tell.<br />3)It's A Beautiful Day was also a Millard band, so its plausible that one band for an agency was replacing another<br /><br />As to Fleetwood Mac, whatever their deal was, Butterfield Blues Band was a still-popular group who would not have been playing Wild West, so the logic would be that any tickets sold for BBB would not affect Wild West sales.<br /><br />As far as I can discern, on the West Coast, Butterfield booked through the WestPole agency, so there was a West Coast connection even if it is not readily apparent.<br /><br />To summarize: the Dead's booking agency (Millard), may not have wanted to reduce interest in Wild West by booking Dead at Fillmore West, and they replaced them with It's A Beautiful Day<br />2) when Fleetwood Mac was unavailable, another out-of-town band with a BGP professional connection was hired<br /><br />Note that Garcia played the Matrix instead with the New Riders.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-42307451762267052142015-06-23T15:06:43.140-07:002015-06-23T15:06:43.140-07:00Deadbase says that shows at Exhibit Hall in Honolu...Deadbase says that shows at Exhibit Hall in Honolulu, Hawaii on July 25-26 were canceled. This would explain that weekend gap - I don't know if anyone has posted about that cancellation.<br /><br />As for the Fillmore West, August 5-7: <br />The poster was originally for Grateful Dead/Fleetwood Mac, but the poster artist removed the Dead's name at the last moment, leaving a blank spot on the poster: <br />http://www.classicposters.com/Fleetwood_Mac/poster/Bill_Graham/185 <br />But according to the COAU site, Fleetwood Mac didn't play either - instead Butterfield & Beautiful Day substituted. So Fleetwood Mac ALSO canceled (they stayed in England that weekend). <br /><br />Something happened here....but what? <br /><br />I wonder if it has to do with either the light-show strike the previous few days, or fallout from the Wild West festival planning which was going haywire at this time (an August 5 meeting at the Family Dog ended in tatters with Bill Graham storming out). <br />But maybe there was a more prosaic reason for two headlining bands to pull out of a Fillmore West run at the last minute.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-52803865437608904612015-06-21T22:20:20.566-07:002015-06-21T22:20:20.566-07:00Does anyone know anything about the billings of th...Does anyone know anything about the billings of the Grateful Dead at Fillmore West, August 5-6-7, canceled according to <i>Deadbase</i> (Scott et al. 1995, p. viii)?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-89606861247778861292013-04-09T07:57:37.430-07:002013-04-09T07:57:37.430-07:00After discussing this with Holly Cuzzone of the Fr...After discussing this with Holly Cuzzone of the Friends Of Cranbury Park, I know that Cranbury Park was never called Evergreen Estate. There is no evidence in their archives that the GD played at a Hells Angels party at Gallaher Mansion. Doesn't mean it didn't happen.Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-46830767835257346382012-05-29T07:20:57.463-07:002012-05-29T07:20:57.463-07:00The NRPS show history list gives a Bear's Lair...The <a href="http://www.nrpsmusic.com/music/1969.html" rel="nofollow">NRPS show history list</a> gives a Bear's Lair show on 7/23/69. I assume this is spurious, but do you have any thoughts?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-55361734617305142772011-12-08T19:47:02.730-08:002011-12-08T19:47:02.730-08:00Mystere2, thanks for the interesting information a...Mystere2, thanks for the interesting information about Alex Cooley and the Dead at Piedmont Park. The Dead have been popular in Atlanta ever since.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-87896462877529623302011-12-08T19:20:09.776-08:002011-12-08T19:20:09.776-08:00Alex Cooley paid for the Dead at Piedmont Park bec...Alex Cooley paid for the Dead at Piedmont Park because he wanted to give back something for the profits from The Pop Festival. Said he didn't feel guilty about making a profit, but felt it was right to share it with the Atlanta community in a special way.Mystere2https://www.blogger.com/profile/08729306452538610675noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-87553112975156027452011-03-12T07:01:38.521-08:002011-03-12T07:01:38.521-08:00re. 8/29-30/69 The Rubber Duck Company did not pl...re. 8/29-30/69 The Rubber Duck Company did not play those nights. It was Phoenix. I don't know if there was a switch in the billing or some mistake but Phoenix was on stage at least one of those nights and I believe both.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16711839393339577191noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-1918314282452604662010-02-18T07:39:56.018-08:002010-02-18T07:39:56.018-08:00Based on my discoveries about the New Riders at Th...Based on my discoveries about the New Riders at The Matrix from August 6-9, I have updated the chronology for that weekend.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-25899713988886183792010-02-15T03:24:07.966-08:002010-02-15T03:24:07.966-08:00A note to Bruno -
Obviously, the Dead were not in...A note to Bruno - <br />Obviously, the Dead were not in Washington on August 30, 1969. <br />The only place I see that claimed is a handbill on Wolfgang's Vault under that date....under closer inspection, it turns out to actually be a sign for the 8-21-69 Aqua Theatre show!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-3106950757222815242010-02-08T07:30:08.160-08:002010-02-08T07:30:08.160-08:00One additional gig: Grateful Dead and NRPS were bo...One additional gig: Grateful Dead and NRPS were both billed at the 'Sky River Rock Festival II' at the Black Cultural Center, Tenino, WA on August 30, 1969....but I don't know if they finally play or not.Bruno Ceriottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902562334118804557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-2950725671714583492010-02-01T06:17:06.757-08:002010-02-01T06:17:06.757-08:00Another outstanding post Corry!
RE: the 7/10/69...Another outstanding post Corry! <br /><br />RE: the 7/10/69 Norwalk, CT show - I grew up two miles from the park and hung out there a lot in high school/college and have been wondering about that date for years. Unfortunately, in my 18 years in that town I never ever heard anybody mention anything about the GD playing there. Likewise, two of my older brothers who were 15 and 18 at the time never mentioned anything about it. I'm not sure how familiar they would've been with the GD at the time but I can't imagine either of them missing out on a rock band from San Francisco within walking distance of home. The younger one is not around anymore but next time I speak with the older one I'll ask him about it.<br /><br />If you can get your hands on archives of the Norwalk Hour, the local daily, you might be able to find something about it.IMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00770956092269600588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-8703981982271729602010-01-31T09:51:37.974-08:002010-01-31T09:51:37.974-08:00Re : Dead in Piedmont Park July 69.
This was trul...Re : Dead in Piedmont Park July 69.<br /><br />This was truly a magical party fondly remembered by all who attended. A free party in the park with The Allman Brothers and lots of others after the Atlanta Pop Festival. Read about it here<br />http://thestripproject.com/Hippies%20Stories/1408FCE9-EEF6-42D4-A71E-718AEC8D333D.html<br /><br />check www.thestripproject you Atlanta hippies.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03894292733945880617noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-26557148217831365192010-01-30T18:41:06.770-08:002010-01-30T18:41:06.770-08:00I am actually inclined to believe the Bears Lair A...I am actually inclined to believe the Bears Lair August 1 date. But its worth noting that Garcia seems to have anticipated the confrontation and planned another gig as an excuse to leave.<br /><br />It would also explain the Bob Matthews part, although not Hart exactly. If Jerry left for Berkeley, wouldn't Hart have had to? Phil may have bailed on the whole thing, leaving Matthews to play bass. Of course, since he was supposed to be mixing the Dead's sound--they had skipped out on their gig--it adds to the general weirdness factor.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-31779454789348393852010-01-30T18:18:18.817-08:002010-01-30T18:18:18.817-08:00Not much I can add to this, except another comment...Not much I can add to this, except another comment on 7/7/69 - <br />Deadlists suggests that Duane & Gregg can be heard in the Lovelight, but I didn't hear them, and have strong doubts that they'd join in anyway. The Dead apparently missed or didn't hear the Allmans' show; generally when other musicians joined them in Lovelight, it was people they knew. So, I believe this is a false rumor. <br />There was an aftershow jam with lots of musicians, though, marking the first time Jerry & Duane played together.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-17708102302546608972010-01-30T17:35:32.235-08:002010-01-30T17:35:32.235-08:00Wonderful!
I have only two pieces to add.
7/7/69...Wonderful!<br /><br />I have only two pieces to add.<br /><br />7/7/69: when the GD portion of this was seeded at Dimeadozen in January 2008, user wavydavy25 said this: "Absolutely NO Gregg or Duane on this [GD] portion of that afternoon. I was there. Duane did participate on a jam afterwards with Garcia and many others, however."<br /><br />8/1/69: there is so much weirdness around this date ... but I don't have much doubt that it happened, unless some folks were *really* burned. The <i>Daily Californian</i> ran repeated mentions, including on the front page and including with pictures. (One of the pictures shows Jerry and Mickey, oddly enough.) I would add that a listing in <i>Good Times</i> (v.2 n.29, 7/31/69, p. 24) lists two shows, at 8:30 and 10:30.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.com