tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post7829961434645406856..comments2024-03-25T06:33:12.809-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: November 29-30, 1968: Hyde Park Teen Center, Cincinatti, OH Grateful DeadCorry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-38385903088344951282023-11-06T22:22:08.662-08:002023-11-06T22:22:08.662-08:00The Lemon Pipers played a lot in 1968-70 in Cincin...The Lemon Pipers played a lot in 1968-70 in Cincinnati and Oxford (Miami University). They were supposedly grad students at Miami. I saw them many times at the Boar's Head and they were great. Played a lot of Byrds covers and the like( i.e psychedelic). Their Eight Miles High was excellent!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-33539302915600356432020-04-18T08:25:34.798-07:002020-04-18T08:25:34.798-07:00If anybody was there, no set lest for the show. He...If anybody was there, no set lest for the show. Help out history!!! ✌Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07030120055218527543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-76124436836116975542019-02-03T09:07:45.449-08:002019-02-03T09:07:45.449-08:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Faiza Jeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00020979319705793429noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-6182224105162880152016-06-15T14:54:47.823-07:002016-06-15T14:54:47.823-07:00LIA, thanks for finding all these great details. T...LIA, thanks for finding all these great details. The two-keyboard observation is particularly interesting. TC had only joined the band the previous week (Nov 23 I think), so maybe the Dead experimented with twin keys for a bit.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-60933886677508604832016-06-15T13:53:11.602-07:002016-06-15T13:53:11.602-07:00One cool thing about this piece is that it confirm...One cool thing about this piece is that it confirms the 8:00 Friday night show was for center members only, and the reporter got kicked out when he couldn't prove his affiliation. (But he managed to bump into the other reviewer.) <br />So he talked to Tarbell, presumably, to arrange an interview with the Dead on Saturday afternoon; but they didn't bother to show up.<br />He got a consolation ticket to the late 10:00 show that night - the Dead started at 11 and played three songs (probably long ones!) - and wouldn't talk to him after the show, either. <br />Interesting detail about the long-haired guy "tossing daisies into the crowd," and someone "jumping around with a mike" during the show. I'm not sure who he tried talking to at the end, whether Pigpen or a roadie or just someone hanging around the stage... Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-32095995219252549282016-06-15T13:44:16.087-07:002016-06-15T13:44:16.087-07:00AND, the same page on 12/7/68 had another article ...AND, the same page on 12/7/68 had another article by a teen reporter, Bob Buten, who attended the show. <br /><br />"(Editor's Note: Last weekend Teen-Ager reporter Bob Buten was sent to the Hyde Park - Mt. Lookout Teen Center to hear and interview The Greatful Dead. Due to too many unusual circumstances, the interview didn't come off. But Bob put in so many hours at the place just trying to meet them, he felt some sort of story was in order...) <br />"I left...last Friday night to get to a concert at the Hyde Park-Mt. Lookout Teen Center which was to start at 8 p.m... <br />I met Jim Knippenberg, the Teen-Ager music columnist, outside and we talked for awhile...as we stood in the cold... <br />When the Center doors finally opened I got inside, but I didn't stay there long. I was quickly booted out as a freeloader. After unsuccessfully trying to prove my identity as a Teen-Ager reporter to five or six unbelievers, I went back to my car and found it parked in by a bunch of other cars! Soon the Cincinnati Police came to my rescue and moved the cars so I could leave. <br />Now Saturday I was supposed to actually interview the Greatful Dead, because the director of the Center heard how I was asked to leave Friday night. He had it all set up for 1:30 p.m. But guess what? The group didn't show up until 5 p.m.! <br />During those long hours of waiting at the Center I did get to browse around and meet some of the [center] members. The place is really great!... <br />Since the interview didn't come off again I was given a ticket for the Saturday night concert. After another long drive I came back to Hyde Park and waited until 10 p.m. for the concert to start. The Greatful Dead came on around 11 p.m., and played three tremendous songs. While they played some guy with long hair tossed daisies into the crowd and got a lot of people excited. There was also a fabulous light show, when combined with the music, seemed to shake the building! <br />After the concert was over the whole group went downstairs and ate fruit... <br />Would you believe I finally got to one of the Greatful Dead guys and I asked him what he was supposed to do while his buddies played their instruments. (You see, he just stood on the stage and jumped around with a mike that wasn't plugged in, so I was curious.) I didn't get much of an answer, but he seemed like a pretty cool guy. Soon they all disappeared, one by one, until there wasn't anyone left in the room. So I left, too. Some interview!"<br /><br />https://www.newspapers.com/image/?spot=5579368&fcfToken=45774a317a575657745851426b305039545235654d7449424135797379764f7a504e34595752465852744c7533482b786545496b326c374832686330504f677664366973556b4b744d386f3d Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-14214403486406659122016-06-15T13:22:01.029-07:002016-06-15T13:22:01.029-07:00And student Jim Knippenberg reviewed one of the sh...And student Jim Knippenberg reviewed one of the shows in the December 7, 1968 Enquirer: "GREATFUL DEAD CONCERT CAPTURES 'PARTICIPATION'." <br /><br />He didn't go into any song details, but was overwhelmed by the show: <br />"Hair and lights were all over the place last Friday and Saturday at the Hyde Park-Mt. Lookout Teen Center, as the Greatful Dead oozed above ground to do their thing. <br />The concert was one of those truly sensational things that hardly ever happens – but when it does, it’s an experience to be remembered... <br />The teen council building itself [is] small. So small in fact, that you can’t even call it dinky – you have to say it’s intimate... <br />Of course there were no chairs. People just sat cross-legged on the floor like oriental meditators. <br />Then there’s the light show. A color wheel cast its projections on the wall behind the stage and shadows of light passed over the attentive group as pinpoints of color periodically burst above the crowd. <br />As the group plays, the lights keep a strange sort of time with the music... <br />Of course there’s the group itself. They come on all smiles, chattering with the audience, tuning their instruments and just being ugly. Beautiful! <br />Their sound is something else again too. The Greatful Dead is a large group – three guitars, two sets of drums, two keyboards and a horn. <br />And their sound is everywhere. It fills every corner of the hall, but isn’t painfully deafening (as one might think in such cramped quarters); it vibrates every floorboard, but is never oppressive. <br />This is the kind of show the Dead like best. One where people don’t just sit like statues and listen because they paid $3 for a ticket, but one where people sit on the floor, dance, and in general “experience” the music... <br />You don’t watch a Grateful Dead concert, you participate." <br /><br />https://www.newspapers.com/clip/5579368/the_cincinnati_enquirer/ <br /><br />(One great thing about this is that he confirms both Pigpen and TC played keyboards! - though I'm puzzled by the "horn.")Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-85217458025011223652016-06-15T13:12:57.273-07:002016-06-15T13:12:57.273-07:00But there's even better news - the Cincinnati ...But there's even better news - the Cincinnati Enquirer ran a couple articles on the shows at the time!<br /><br />From November 9, 1968: <br /><br />THE GRATEFUL DEAD COMING – TO BREAK UP <br /><br />To the Editor: <br />This year the Hyde Park-Mt. Lookout Teen Center will attempt an unprecedented program of live entertainment for all teens in the area. As you know, we brought The Vanilla Fudge to Cincinnati recently, and on November 30 we will present The Grateful Dead in two public concerts. Later on we hope to bring other nationally-known groups to town. This will probably be the last midwest concert for the group, since they are breaking up in December. <br />When our Teen Center first opened there was some criticism that all area teens could not take part. But everyone is welcome to attend these concerts. The two shows on November 30 are scheduled for 7:30 and 10 p.m. Tickets are $3.50 per person, and can be purchased in advance at the Center, 2753 Erie Avenue in Hyde Park. <br />Since people were turned away at The Vanilla Fudge concert, we suggest concert goers buy their tickets ahead of time, for guaranteed admittance. <br />On November 29 we will sponsor two concerts by The Grateful Dead for members and their guests. <br />Sincerely, D. J. Weber <br />Hyde Park-Mt. Lookout Teen Center <br /><br />https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/100723425/<br /><br />(Several newspapers reported in late '68 that the Dead were breaking up - it was public knowledge at the time.)Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-33141783248552831952016-06-15T13:08:08.290-07:002016-06-15T13:08:08.290-07:00I think you meant to link to this:
http://www.cin...I think you meant to link to this: <br />http://www.cincinnati.com/story/entertainment/2016/06/13/when-dead-were-live-local-teen-center/85565462/<br /><br />Great article, with a couple posters for the shows!<br />The posters indicate one show on Friday Nov. 29 (8-12, student union members $2.50, guests $3), and two on Saturday Nov. 30 (7:30 and 10, all tickets $3.50 - though the handbill says student members got a discount).<br /><br />Some background from the article: <br />"The short-lived Hyde Park-Mt. Lookout center was an old church at 2753 Erie Avenue. The converted sanctuary held about 200, those who were there say. The center was founded by area adult residents and churches. Once renovated, the building’s stage was the old altar area and the audience sat on the floor where they also stood and danced."<br /><br />How director Jim Tarbell booked the Dead: <br />"While on vacation in August 1968, he headed to San Francisco. “I did not hear the Grateful Dead in person,” he says. “But while I was there, I heard about (them). I thought this could be a big deal. I came back here with that thought in mind, found their manager, called him up and asked if the guys were coming this way anytime soon.” Told they would be in Ohio in November, he booked them for $2,000. “That was a lot for the teen center,” he said."<br /><br />Flavor Scope (four high school students) did the light show, and there's a little recollection from Dan Stevenson (who also commented above). <br />"“The Friday show was a bit rough getting started. (It began with Pigpen doing 'Good Morning Little Schoolgirl'), but once they got rolling, the music was revelatory, at least to me – like some unstoppable train. The two Saturday night shows were fantastic.” He remembers hearing material from the band’s then-new second album, "Anthem of the Sun," as well as the song 'Morning Dew.'"Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-24798988225917944492016-06-15T09:46:35.795-07:002016-06-15T09:46:35.795-07:00Correspondent Eric found a recent article in the C...Correspondent Eric found a recent article in the Cincinnati Enquirer about these shows<br />http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2012/04/november-29-30-1968-hyde-park-teen.htmlCorry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-76432127465732952132014-10-07T18:06:49.896-07:002014-10-07T18:06:49.896-07:00I was there Saturday night. I remember 1 show, wi...I was there Saturday night. I remember 1 show, with the Sacred Mushroom opening. I recall that the Sacred Mushroom finished their set with Spoonful. Larry Goshorn still gigs around Cincinnati and might be able to corroborate.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00673196516085643529noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-37805314401029621762014-02-15T18:54:16.974-08:002014-02-15T18:54:16.974-08:00Great to have such a detailed eyewitness account!Great to have such a detailed eyewitness account!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-45126207495464381742014-02-15T13:49:04.432-08:002014-02-15T13:49:04.432-08:00Daniel, thank you so much for checking in and expl...Daniel, thank you so much for checking in and explaining the exact sequence of events. It all makes sense--the Dead had time to do two shows on Saturday because they had arrived the night before. It also explains the slightly differing accounts of single or double shows--it depends on which night people went. Interesting about the Lemon Pipers--I wonder where that story came from?<br /><br />Thanks again. I added most of your Comment to the main post.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-11920320984624366752014-02-14T23:09:54.931-08:002014-02-14T23:09:54.931-08:00Paul, it's Dan. Where are you, my friend?
Eve...Paul, it's Dan. Where are you, my friend?<br /><br />Everything that Paul has recounted is right on the mark. I was one of the members of the lightshow for that event, and extraordinary it was. It was a two night series, one show on Friday night and two on Saturday. The Lemon Pipers did not open--ether was no opening act. Just the Dead. The Teen Center was a decommissioned church that Tarbell converted into the Hyde Park Teen Center. <br /><br />The Dead did show up late on Friday night, with Owsley on sound, as Paul states. They did not set up in the basement, but on the raised altar stage. Tom Constaten was also there, and has some interesting recollections of the performance. On Friday night, they started with a rather sloppy version of Good Morning Little School Girl, but in short order got into the groove and blew the roof off the place, at least to my recollection. <br /><br />This was our first gig as Flavorscope Lightshow. We were pretty green at the time. We literally set up in the rafters of the church and projected through a window carved into the domed ceiling. I remember, at one point, sticking my head out--figuratively and literally--and hearing music that changed my life. (That's It for the Other One and New Potato Caboose, etc.) <br /><br />On Saturday, we gathered mid-morning at the Center to tweak equipment. The Dead showed up and proceeded to practice and jam until late afternoon. I remember Mickey Hart and Bill Kreutzman working out dual drum solos, as other members came and wen. Bob Weir, at one point, did a rendition of Silver Threads and Golden Needles. There are other details which I will not recount. Pigpen was a damned nice guy, as were all. <br /><br />Jim Tarbell opened Ludlow Garage in late summer or early fall of 1969 (can't recall the dates, but they are on record). It began with a Friday festival at the Cincinnati Zoo: Paul Butterfield (with full horn section), Vanilla Fudge, and others. The Garage opened, if I recall correctly, the next night with Grand Funk. Flavorscope did the Zoo gig (rear projection, which with westerly winds, functioned more as a sail than a lightshow), and the next night moved to the Garage. We were the house lightshow at the Garage from fall 1969 through summer of 1970. Also did the Dead show at the University of Cincinnati field house in April 1970, the night before the Ludlow Garage performance of the Allman Brothers that is now available on disk. <br /><br />If you are interested in checking out the list of groups that played the garage during this period, it is available on line (Ludlow Garage set list). Though it may not be to your liking--or merely the unhip Midwest--shows by groups from the Michigan scene, such as the MC5 and Stooges, were also powerful, and no less prescient when it comes to trends a decade or so later. <br /><br />Saturday night was as musically explosive as Friday. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06227207781204948261noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-75984596012413474132014-01-17T16:23:12.440-08:002014-01-17T16:23:12.440-08:00Hey guys, I am the Director of the Ohio Music Muse...Hey guys, I am the Director of the Ohio Music Museum & Hall of Fame. If anyone knows of people that want to sell any original Ludlow Garage Posters, or shows from the Hyde Park Teen Center, please have them get ahold of me. My email is producer@chucklandshow.com Thanks!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05978506649069455611noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-54369423231984196742013-09-25T17:04:28.920-07:002013-09-25T17:04:28.920-07:00Paul, thanks for the eyewitness account. Owsley wa...Paul, thanks for the eyewitness account. Owsley was the soundman during that period, so your memory of him sounds correct.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-20108338965766629162013-09-25T16:32:18.677-07:002013-09-25T16:32:18.677-07:00I worked in the light show for the Dead shows in H...I worked in the light show for the Dead shows in Hyde Park in Cincinnati. The light show was done by Flavorscope in conjunction with another guy who's name escapes me that also did light show work in Cincinnati. The concerts weren't in the basement of the church, it was in the church itself. I believe that Owsley was there running the sound equipment, there were issues getting enough power to it and with all that stuff in addition to the bands equipment it took maybe 1/3 of the space up. I don't remember that it was a 2 night show but its possible that it was. The show was great and the place was packed and hot and sweaty. Somebody stole the new suede leather jacket my mom had got me (I was 15 then) but other than that it was a blast, we had never done a light show for a nationally known band before. I don't remember having an opening act, I think I would have remembered if it was the Lemon Pipers but its possible they were there and I just don't remember them.PaulTitchenerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01976715458172869742noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-37000559460190160452013-09-14T18:51:22.210-07:002013-09-14T18:51:22.210-07:00Hi Andrew,
Could you ask your friend's Dad if ...Hi Andrew,<br />Could you ask your friend's Dad if he set up the GD's equipment on the altar in the church?Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-9721699432190842762013-03-04T06:40:10.713-08:002013-03-04T06:40:10.713-08:00sorry to be chiming in late here, but a friend of ...sorry to be chiming in late here, but a friend of mine's father was a teenager in cincinnati at the time and somehow had become a dead fan in advance of this show. he showed up early to help them unload their instruments and helped them set up the stage, and said they were all very nice. not much additional color, but further confirmation that this show actually happened.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07352482575673750648noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-4645887191381678592012-07-23T20:20:50.759-07:002012-07-23T20:20:50.759-07:00An eyewitness has written in to report that the Te...An eyewitness has written in to report that the Teen Center was in the basement of a church. The church seems to have been largely (or entirely) unused at the time. The concerts were intended as fundraisers for the Teen Centers, and were held in the church itself, above the Teen Center.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-33353456557523923972012-04-27T11:12:31.765-07:002012-04-27T11:12:31.765-07:00Another fabulous post - thanks so much! I have on...Another fabulous post - thanks so much! I have one minor correction to offer: The Lemon Pipers had their #1 hit with "Green Tambourine" at the beginning of 1968, played the Fillmore and Winterland in March (with Moby Grape, Traffic, and Spirit), and by November of that year they were already in decline after they failed to score a follow-up hit. It would have been interesting to hear what they sounded like live, because they supposedly a lot more bluesy and "psychedelic", in contrast to the bubblegum material that they had to record to keep their contract with Buddah.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-61396592546519272072012-04-25T18:02:43.955-07:002012-04-25T18:02:43.955-07:00For various non-blog related reasons, I have to ba...For various non-blog related reasons, I have to back down from my once-a-week schedule for this blog. I will be defaulting to a biweekly schedule, and the next post will be on Thursday, May 3.<br /><br />I am also putting the other blog on a biweekly schedule, so that the Commentariat will have something to talk about. The next post on Hooterollin Around (http://hooterollin.blogspot.com/) will be on Friday April 27, and the following one will be on May 11.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-16083557412185109082012-04-20T06:52:13.809-07:002012-04-20T06:52:13.809-07:00And, a technical question: does anyone have any ev...And, a technical question: does anyone have any evidence one way or another on whether material in comments is any differently discoverable via, e.g., a Google search than would be material in the body of a post? Just curious.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-23553446019166797822012-04-19T20:14:39.596-07:002012-04-19T20:14:39.596-07:00Thanks for consolidating it all.
And, yeah, it re...Thanks for consolidating it all.<br /><br />And, yeah, it really is a golden age for knowledge. I feel so fortunate that there are other lunatics to share in the discovery!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.com