tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post2477170360886803515..comments2024-03-25T06:33:12.809-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: John Kahn Live Performance List 1967-68 (John Kahn I)Corry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-50555539648703156502016-04-12T06:41:21.693-07:002016-04-12T06:41:21.693-07:00Man, if only there were paperwork around those tra...Man, if only there were paperwork around those transactions, like any 14th c. Venetian merchant.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-58127703365657026842016-04-11T17:30:51.789-07:002016-04-11T17:30:51.789-07:00To purchase products that were unavailable in stor...To purchase products that were unavailable in stores? That seems to be the reason people who didn't really know the Dead very well dropped by.<br /><br />I'm not snarking here. If you read the story of the Oct 67 bust, you note that the man the cops set up to bust the Dead went over to buy weed, and since he was somewhat known to the house, someone sold it to him, triggering the bust. 710 Ashbury was like the Bodega. You could probably get a single cigarette too. To be neo-Marxist (eg Braudelian) about it, this is the "material base" of the Dead's otherwise inexplicable economics in 1967.<br /><br />If you went to the Airplane House, no one would sell you anything, whether they knew you well or not. They might give you some weed--Jack Casady might roll the joints himself--but they wouldn't take anything for it. The Airplane didn't get busted in SF--don't you think SFPD tried?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-85574481447529926892016-04-11T17:20:30.654-07:002016-04-11T17:20:30.654-07:00And why, pray tell, would Kahn have swung by the D...And why, pray tell, would Kahn have swung by the Dead's house?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-43104943378422478722016-04-06T16:49:22.034-07:002016-04-06T16:49:22.034-07:00I think 60s rock scenes were a lot like High Schoo...I think 60s rock scenes were a lot like High School. Garcia and Kahn may have passed through the same rehearsal hall in 1968 and never spoken, because there weren't that many places for hippies like them to hang out.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-14272534633347768772016-04-06T01:13:00.285-07:002016-04-06T01:13:00.285-07:00One interesting moment is kind of brushed over her...One interesting moment is kind of brushed over here - Al Kooper mentions in his notes to the live album with Bloomfield that when they were scrambling for a rehearsal place before the 9/26/68 show, “Rock Scully, of the Grateful Dead, loaned us their rehearsal facilities for two days.” <br /><br />Now the Dead weren't playing anywhere that week (they were starting work on Aoxomoxoa in the studio), so you'd think Kahn and Garcia might at least have bumped into each other at the Dead's rehearsal space. <br />Then again, as you note, Garcia didn't come on stage on the 28th when three other guitarists came up to jam, which isn't really like him (we don't even know if he went to any of the shows). So who can say whether Garcia & Kahn might have met? <br /><br />What we can say is that if they did, Kahn didn't remember it. In his winter '87 Golden Road interview, he briefly mentions these shows. ("We rehearsed a couple of days and then had these three shows. But Michael got real sick. He passed out at the end of the second night and he didn't make the third one, so we had all these other guys...fill in.") <br />Later on: "I first met Garcia in 1972 [sic] at this weird gig at the Matrix... I'd always wanted to play with [Howard Wales]...and [their] bass player didn't work out, which is why Bill Vitt asked me to come. I met Garcia and we became friends right away. Of course I'd heard the Dead quite a bit, but I can't really say I was a fan or anything. I'd been around them some. I lived in the Haight and was at their house a couple of times; I remember meeting Pigpen. I'd seen them play on Haight Street and I think I saw them at the old Fillmore a couple times, but I didn't know their music very well, and I didn't really know too much about how Garcia played." <br /><br />So if he had any prior contact with Garcia, it was fleeting and non-musical. <br />I've often wondered, though, if it's more than coincidental that the Bloomfield/Kooper live album has both Feelin' Groovy and Dear Mr Fantasy>Hey Jude on it. The Dead must have at least been aware of it.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-71020140920824731602015-08-02T04:08:05.983-07:002015-08-02T04:08:05.983-07:00"the Jerry Garcia Band (under various names) ..."the Jerry Garcia Band (under various names) was to some extent the Jerry Garcia and John Kahn Band"<br /><br />Man, you are so spot on. Here's Garcia, speaking in May 1982: “All of the things that you hear of that are called the Jerry Garcia Band are, in reality, the John Kahn and Jerry Garcia Band” <br /><br />@ about 4:12 of this: Garcia, Jerry, 1942-1995, “Bill Cooper with Jerry Garcia. Interview broadcast on WRNW in Westchester, N.Y., in May 1982 [radio broadcast],” Grateful Dead Archive Online, accessed August 2, 2015, http://www.gdao.org/items/show/378691.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-46465369311095390882010-11-26T15:56:30.851-08:002010-11-26T15:56:30.851-08:00•Kahn was well grounded in jazz, even if he stoppe...<i>•Kahn was well grounded in jazz, even if he stopped playing it in 1967 or so. That made him a good fit for the jazzier excursions of the Garcia/Saunders bands, and for the jazz sensibilities of the Garcia Band in general<br /></i><br /><br />Agreed. The JG Band once I saw,and in ways a more satisfying musical experience than GD--in terms of tight jams, Saunders jazzy-gospel organ and Kahn's bass playing-- smooth, solid (looks like Fender in YT vids) not quite as ...eh, explorative as Lesh's (which works most of the time, but not always...and some of us don't care too much for B W's R n B schtick). And Jerry's singin' on--his g-tar usually . Somewheres ah read the JG Band opened for Zappa for some time, and FZ tried, unsuccessfully, to help JG get the monkey off his back ( Kahn probably not much help there...some rumors are JK was a prime mover of H)Jhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11567400697675996283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-29354008488581393632010-11-26T13:41:24.013-08:002010-11-26T13:41:24.013-08:00I was fortunate enough to be contacted by Bob Jone...I was fortunate enough to be contacted by Bob Jones, Kahn's partner in Memory Pain, Mike Bloomfield and various other endeavors. He shared considerably more information about the T&A R&B Band and Memory Pain, which I have expanded upon in the next post.<br /><br />http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2010/11/john-kahn-live-performance-1967-68-t-r.htmlCorry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-5355461575692827822010-11-24T08:54:34.536-08:002010-11-24T08:54:34.536-08:00A mass response:
Yellow Shark--thanks for the Mem...A mass response:<br /><br />Yellow Shark--thanks for the Memory Pain ad, it's now in the post<br /><br />LIA--I was astonished myself when I started digging into this how revealing Kahn's pre-Garcia career would be. There's lots more to come. Any chance you could email me (corrarnold at gmail.com) a scan of the Golden Road Kahn interview? I don't need that other article.<br /><br />cryptdev: yet another Kahn mystery. I do know that Kahn did a lot of work for Nick Gravenites--we'll get to that--so Kahn may have been working with someone in the studio, and did a somewhat informal live performance. That might include people who were not Bay Area players at all. A very intriguing detail.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-79664045604341164542010-11-24T06:17:57.267-08:002010-11-24T06:17:57.267-08:00Corry:
A really great piece. I know you are only ...Corry:<br /><br />A really great piece. I know you are only up to 1968, but I believe I first saw John Kahn playing as part of an acoustic duo with a blues guitarist at Pepperland (the infamous 12/21/70 "David and the Dorks" show). Any idea? It was not one of the usual suspects (Bloomfield, Cook, Jones, and I never saw him billed thus anywhere else). I remember that he had his hair slicked back and looked very much the Chicago hipster.cryptdevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13944617292210813801noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-23486841217341780272010-11-24T00:53:58.904-08:002010-11-24T00:53:58.904-08:00Another really nifty piece by the way.Another really nifty piece by the way.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-71078718201665022832010-11-24T00:52:34.008-08:002010-11-24T00:52:34.008-08:00After some digging I found a single Memory Pain sh...After some digging I found a single Memory Pain show supporting Buddy Guy at the New Orleans House (June 11, 1968). Evidence substantiating this may be found in your inbox. RossThe Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-22393448478564191482010-11-23T22:48:31.975-08:002010-11-23T22:48:31.975-08:00All this and we're only up to 1968? Holy smoke...All this and we're only up to 1968? Holy smokes. Looking forward to future installments.<br /><br />It's a shame, by the way, that the Golden Road magazines still aren't available online!<br />I do, though, happen to have a photocopy of that John Kahn interview in the winter '87 edition - along with (ahem) a Garcia Band overview by you... <br /><br />And by the way, for those curious about Faren Miller's music diaries, this site has a couple (non-Dead) excerpts: <br />http://www.pulsatingdream.com/Faren_Miller.htmlLight Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-27881422487296291062010-11-23T22:47:41.603-08:002010-11-23T22:47:41.603-08:00Amazing work! I have so much to learn about this m...Amazing work! I have so much to learn about this man and all of this, can't wait to read more.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-80037523924830628052010-11-23T19:35:21.810-08:002010-11-23T19:35:21.810-08:00Nice blog! Look forward to the next segment!
For...Nice blog! Look forward to the next segment!<br /><br />For anyone interested in learning more about Mike Bloomfield, visit www.mikebloomfield.comPeghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09981869730354910316noreply@blogger.com