tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post2538063446935613370..comments2024-03-25T06:33:12.809-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: Grateful Dead/Jerry Garcia Tour Itinerary March 1969Corry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-18359810258048510072016-12-28T20:43:05.956-08:002016-12-28T20:43:05.956-08:00Ok, a bit more searching has found that the Hilton...Ok, a bit more searching has found that the Hilton Union Square, 333 O'Farrell is the correct hotel, opening on April 1964. There were two ballrooms so it's unclear which one they performed in. Never trust a Wikipedia. The other Hilton at 750 Kearny Street has a history some may find interesting.<br />Tom Maguire ran San Francisco’s first legitimate house for serious actors, the Jenny Lind. This theater, located on Portsmouth Square above the Parker House Saloon, was a first class playhouse. Its boxes and ceiling were gilded, and its drop-curtain was colorfully painted. Though the playhouse lasted only a year, it clearly established that both the public and the theater community were interested in elegant theatrical spaces.<br /> Maguire was an Irish immigrant from New York City who arrived in San Francisco in September of 1849. He got a job as the manager of the Parker House gambling saloon and soon after turned its second floor into the Jenny Lind. In its first year, productions of Hamlet, Macbeth, King Lear, Much Ado About Nothing, and The Rivals were all staged at the Jenny Lind. Even patrons of the gambling saloon enjoyed watching these plays from the plush boxes of the theater. As did many buildings in the 1850s, the Jenny Lind burned down on May 4, 1851. <br /> Maguire built the Jenny Lind II, but a week after the opening, the city’s sixth fire blazed through the building. When Maguire planned the Jenny Lind III, he built with sandstone instead of wood. The Jenny Lind III shows how important grandeur was to Maguire. The walls of the playhouse were painted light pink and tastefully gilded. The theater seated 2000, with the boxes richly carved and decorated. The stage backdrop was painted to depict a classical ruin. This third theater opened on October 4, 1851, to great success.<br /> Building the Jenny Lind III had put Maguire in serious debt, and to extricate himself, he managed to convince the city of San Francisco to purchase the theater for $200,000 and to turn it into city hall. <br />On June 4, 1852, the City of San Francisco purchased the building for use as City Hall.<br /> In 1900 the San Francisco Hall of Justice was built on this site but it burned in the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire. The Hall of Justice was rebuilt and re-opened in 1912. That building was on the site until it was demolished in April 1968. <br />The Hilton hotel was built on the site in 1971. John Carl Warnecke was the architect. It was originally built as the Holiday Inn Chinatown in 1971. The new hotel had an unusual rooftop swimming pool that is featured in the opening scenes of the first Dirty Harry film (1971).[8]<br /> The hotel was completely renovated then reopened in January 2006 as the Hilton San Francisco Financial District.<br /><br />There’s a plaque on the front of the Hilton dated November 15, 1949.Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-2087005030337311002016-12-28T11:33:38.486-08:002016-12-28T11:33:38.486-08:00The poster says "Hilton Hotel". Both Hil...The poster says "Hilton Hotel". Both Hilton Hotels (Union Square and Financial District) in San Francisco were built in 1971, according to Wikipedia. I have my doubts on the opening in 1971. Any ideas on what address this event took place? Was there a third Hilton in SF? I can't find one.Jerry's Brokendown Palaceshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06451361448230329754noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-66312406322278331552016-12-12T16:25:35.533-08:002016-12-12T16:25:35.533-08:00Sounds like Mickey to me introducing Dark Star. Hi...Sounds like Mickey to me introducing Dark Star. His voice is pretty distinct, although he rarely ever spoke on stage.SDBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16406472867038961017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-32897744719448017542011-11-01T14:49:18.352-07:002011-11-01T14:49:18.352-07:00matt, these are great photos. I had never seen the...matt, these are great photos. I had never seen the poster.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-64428690488698419522011-11-01T12:06:18.401-07:002011-11-01T12:06:18.401-07:00a photo i took at the sf main library at civic ce...a photo i took at the sf main library at civic center- an ad for and Herb Cain column about the Black and White Ball show....cheers, matt<br /><br />http://www.flickr.com/photos/mattt317/6303481756/sizes/l/in/photostream/rustyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08415232291609901679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-73108879728332027842011-10-24T01:08:47.957-07:002011-10-24T01:08:47.957-07:00Corry, I ask to Frumious Bandersnatch then members...Corry, I ask to Frumious Bandersnatch then members and also at their then road manager, but nothing, they do not remember nothing about that show and about Mickey and The Hartbeats line-up. Sorry but, you know, "who lived in the 60s do not remember the 60s"!!.Bruno Ceriottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902562334118804557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-88466883641731769562011-10-17T10:52:13.997-07:002011-10-17T10:52:13.997-07:00I know that McNally list BK as a member of the Har...I know that McNally list BK as a member of the Hartbeats for he October 68 performances but I need to dig back in time to try and figure this out.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-24458036953937152802011-10-17T08:53:45.799-07:002011-10-17T08:53:45.799-07:00FYI, IM = psychlopsFYI, IM = psychlopsIMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00770956092269600588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-3848294570163039532011-10-15T05:27:06.325-07:002011-10-15T05:27:06.325-07:00Yellow Shark, I'd love to learn how you came t...Yellow Shark, I'd love to learn how you came to list Kreutzmann on that Hartbeats date.<br /><br />Vegas is pretty much smack-dab between LA and Denver. Not sure how the interstates stood in 1967, but today it's I-15 out of LA, through Vegas, all the way into eastern Utah, whence I-70 eastbound gets you to Denver.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-88826758415248657672011-10-15T01:09:48.559-07:002011-10-15T01:09:48.559-07:00Corry,
I will ask if they remember something and ...Corry,<br /><br />I will ask if they remember something and I let you know! <br /><br />And, by the way, I think Ross' right, because in his "The Matrix Shows List", Frumious Bandersnatch were listed only on February 24 not 26 too.Bruno Ceriottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902562334118804557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-68321301857903554642011-10-15T01:04:00.186-07:002011-10-15T01:04:00.186-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Bruno Ceriottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902562334118804557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-8012294863389723492011-10-15T00:56:57.971-07:002011-10-15T00:56:57.971-07:00A couple of points. I am by no means sure that I a...A couple of points. I am by no means sure that I agree that Frumious Bandersnatch played both the 24th and 26th. I believe it was the 24th only. Strangely, I for some reason that I can't recall, have the Hartbeats identified for these shows as including Garcia, Lesh and (most oddly) Kreutzmann. <br /><br />The Las Vegas September 16 date has always sat rather uncomfortably with me. They had played with the Jefferson Airplane at the Hollywood Bowl the previous night (Big Brother having dropped out) and then I have a Griffith Park performance the following afternoon. I am wondering if the assumption that the LV show was on a Saturday has clouded our thinking. The following week the band were in Denver - do we know how they got there? Is it possible that LV was a break en route to Denver? I have always wondered if there are a couple of lost shows in September 67 given that much of the month was on the road (a three day midweek run in Moab, UT perhaps?).The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-25311041868302513152011-10-14T13:54:51.325-07:002011-10-14T13:54:51.325-07:00IM, the link is completely awesome. Great research...IM, the link is completely awesome. Great research.<br /><br />Incidentally,the Grateful Dead played the Las Vegas Convention Center, too, on September 16, 1967, although it doesn't appear on most lists. It was the first night that TC sat in with the group, which is how we know about it (I have a post about it somewhere).Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-232032458180564492011-10-14T13:29:28.690-07:002011-10-14T13:29:28.690-07:00I just found an interesting article on the Vegas I...I just found an interesting article on the Vegas Ice Palace with precise location - corner of Karen and State. It's still there! As the author states, "After 50 years the Ice Place still exists as a hockey rink at the south-west corner of Commercial Center - right next to the Tranny Bar called the Las Vegas Lounge, and near the Green Door Swingers Club, the Hawk Gym, the Fantasy Social Club, and several other assorted, odd-ball sex shops."<br /><br />Article at http://www.westvegasphotos.com/2010_03_31_archive.html<br /><br />Now to try and find a pic of the Ice Palace in its heyday.IMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00770956092269600588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-10486693693526109352011-10-14T11:15:27.015-07:002011-10-14T11:15:27.015-07:00Bruno, do your Frumious contacts recall opening fo...Bruno, do your Frumious contacts recall opening for Mickey and The Hartbeats at the Matrix on February 24 and 26, the weekend before the Fillmore West shows? Would they happen to recall who performed as Mickey and The Hartbeats (eg all of the Dead, Garcia/Lesh/Hart, etc)?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-61402613417910610692011-10-14T03:22:32.660-07:002011-10-14T03:22:32.660-07:00yeah, I confirmed too, Frumious Bandersnatch had p...yeah, I confirmed too, Frumious Bandersnatch had played only on Saturday, March 1, 1969Bruno Ceriottihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11902562334118804557noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-38249962357499734802011-10-13T18:27:24.055-07:002011-10-13T18:27:24.055-07:00I know that Frumious Bandersnatch had played on th...I know that Frumious Bandersnatch had played on the first, confirmed by Michael, but my list of Grateful Dead shows identifies "Sir Douglas Quintet (with Shades of Joy horns)" as returning on the Sunday.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-51715174456493399702011-10-13T12:12:54.762-07:002011-10-13T12:12:54.762-07:00Well, I'm just guessing about the Black And Wh...Well, I'm just guessing about the Black And White Ball contract. Still, it would have been handled by a professional agency. The way the Fillmore West contract would have worked is that the Dead could not have played an advertised concert within, say fifty miles for two weeks prior to the concert (or something like that). Free concerts or unadvertised appearances at benefits would have been fine.<br /><br />After March 2, BGP would have had no hold over (nor objection to) an advertised concert by the Dead. That would have meant that prior to March 2, the Black And White Ball could only have advertised something vague like "Major Fillmore West Attraction," which then could be named as the Grateful Dead once they had fulfilled the Fillmore West gig. <br /><br />However, I have assumed that the B&WB contract would take force at that point, and the Dead could not advertise a show within range of San Francisco until after March 15. That is my explanation for the fact that they were not named by Gleason for the SF State benefit.<br /><br />Very interesting details about the Las Vegas Ice Palace.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-40394783205105914882011-10-13T11:58:03.733-07:002011-10-13T11:58:03.733-07:00Are you sure the contract with the Black & Whi...Are you sure the contract with the Black & White Ball would have prevented another advertised show in the area? Their Fillmore shows had been just 2 weeks earlier, and I'm not sure a $17.50 ball would have the usual kind of concert contract. (But for how long would the Fillmore contract have prohibited a GD billing in the city after that run?)<br /><br />Tom Constanten mentions of the Black & White Ball, "It would have been a smashing success, if only the PA system could have been ready a few hours earlier. Like, by curtain time. In the preparatory meetings with the Symphony people, Phil and I suggested a musical collaboration between the band and the orchestra... They all but laughed in our faces."<br /><br />Ironically, the Dead decided to open their show with their first-ever Hard to Handle - apparently without much rehearsal... <br /><br />As for the Ice Palace in Las Vegas - there was a debate on dead.net about just where it was! It turns out "the Ice Palace was an old ice skating rink in the Commercial Shopping Center on E Sahara and Maryland Pkwy." <br />Led Zeppelin also played there on Aug 11 '69.<br /><br />Someone in the Dead introduces Dark Star: "Next tune we're gonna do is something we wrote especially for the Ice Palace here in Las Vegas. We wrote it this morning."<br />The Dead seem not to have been too enamored with Las Vegas (or vice versa), as they did not play there again until 1981!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com