tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post7840293467036227905..comments2024-03-25T06:33:12.809-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: April 4-6, 1969 Avalon Ballroom, San Francisco: Grateful Dead/Flying Burrito Brothers/AUMCorry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-38930590983193464012021-11-06T04:31:20.723-07:002021-11-06T04:31:20.723-07:00Best thread ever. Thanks for digging deep in to th...Best thread ever. Thanks for digging deep in to the Burritos / Dead / Clarence White connections. I would add that you can definitely hear hints of Clarence’s electric style in Garcia’s psychedelic country approach. <br />www.edgeofthewest.bandHedley Kowhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01777270438441695701noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-62279956602451467492019-04-04T08:14:12.385-07:002019-04-04T08:14:12.385-07:00I met Pete Grant when I evacuated Katrina and ende...I met Pete Grant when I evacuated Katrina and ended up at my sister's in Auburn, CA, where Pete lives. I got asked to do a session for a guy recording a country album and Pete was there that day. He is one of the most advanced musicians I've ever encountered and it was fascinating watching him come up with his solo on pedal steel. He also played an eight string dobro that day. I am proud to say I am on a recording with him...one of my finest hours as a musician.<br /><br />I've heard the Pete and Jerry vowed to someday learn the pedal steel back when they were following bluegrass players around together.Mark Grissomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07695125686864258515noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-61105971450428905922016-04-23T21:23:08.098-07:002016-04-23T21:23:08.098-07:00But I am just now listening to this: https://www....But I am just now listening to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_44E1m_VkqM<br />and there was one announcement "KPFA broadcasting live" etc. about 15 minutes in.Antproofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08583024372122846321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-38557640707340701782016-04-23T19:12:07.769-07:002016-04-23T19:12:07.769-07:00Well, I wasn't aware of announcements but it w...Well, I wasn't aware of announcements but it was Easter Sunday and there was free acid. :-) Antproofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08583024372122846321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-16769723126583780772016-04-23T14:11:22.240-07:002016-04-23T14:11:22.240-07:00Thanks for the eyewitness account, Antproof. The s...Thanks for the eyewitness account, Antproof. The story seems to be that Sanpaku opened on Friday and Saturday (April 4-5), not April 6. I think they replaced AUM on those nights (that's Sanpaku's long-ago road manager Commenting above).<br /><br />Do you recall if there were stage announcements to the effect that the shows were broadcast live? Was the crowd aware of the KPFA broadcast?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-502487586604761212016-04-23T14:00:08.021-07:002016-04-23T14:00:08.021-07:00Nothing like a reply almost six years down the roa...Nothing like a reply almost six years down the road but for what's it worth -- I was at the Sunday night show and unless we were really late getting there (and I don't think so) the bill was Aum, Burritos and the Dead. Antproofhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08583024372122846321noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-10015156493320860572010-09-09T17:17:40.032-07:002010-09-09T17:17:40.032-07:00ha ha, i thought so. Do you recall if Sanpaku play...ha ha, i thought so. Do you recall if Sanpaku played all three nights (Fri-Sat-Sun)? Did the band play twice or only once? and did the Dead and the Burritos play once or twice?<br /><br />Did AUM play all three nights? We know they played the last night because it was broadcast, but perhaps Sanpaku filled in on ore more of the other nights?<br /><br />A few years ago an album was released of the April 4 and April 6 (Fri and Sun) shows of the Flying Burrito Brothers, taped by Owsley. These were different tapes than the KPFA broadcast. So we know that Owsley was there with his deck running, but what he kept and what he taped is (as always) cryptic.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-68337741762114994052010-09-09T16:13:18.906-07:002010-09-09T16:13:18.906-07:00Well yes, in fact it was Sanpaku.Well yes, in fact it was Sanpaku.Hewitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15864132307663273299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-24166584090780656832010-09-09T13:37:29.235-07:002010-09-09T13:37:29.235-07:00All I know about the tape is that the Dead, Burrit...All I know about the tape is that the Dead, Burritos and AUM were broadcast on April 6. It was common practice for their to be another band "not on the poster" at SF shows, usually on Friday and/or Saturday nights, not Sunday (Apr 6 was a Sunday).<br /><br />Typically the billed bands played two rotating sets, and the opener played just one opening set (put another way, the Dead would have played either 3rd and 6th or 4th and 7th). I don't know who the other band might have been--any idea?Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-14595353273254041732010-09-09T11:45:42.188-07:002010-09-09T11:45:42.188-07:00Corry,
Do you have any additional info on the KPFA...Corry,<br />Do you have any additional info on the KPFA tape? I have just come across credible evidence that an additional, unbilled band opened this show.<br />HPakuHewitthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15864132307663273299noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-77617678141052010542010-08-02T14:47:07.975-07:002010-08-02T14:47:07.975-07:00Robert Hunter was also playing at the party with e...Robert Hunter was also playing at the party with everyone else. It was, in fact, the first time since 1963 that Jerry, Sandy, David and Robert had played together! They had a blue grass band in 1963 called (I think) The Wild Mountain Boys...Steven Marcushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03113993221388610251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-44580707745268220212010-05-04T12:29:53.570-07:002010-05-04T12:29:53.570-07:00If you listen to the Steve Marcus recording of the...If you listen to the Steve Marcus recording of the Grateful Dead Thanksgiving Party from November 23, 1986, the band (Garcia, Nelson, Sandy Rothman and Dan Healy) play the Burritos' "Devil In Disguise."<br /><br />After the song, Nelson and Garcia talk enthusiastically to each other about how Gram Parsons and how great the first Burritos album was. I wish I could parse out all the dialog (between d1t05 and d1t06).Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-29028898810541295112010-04-17T12:20:06.645-07:002010-04-17T12:20:06.645-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.IMhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00770956092269600588noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-23631034401604513242010-03-23T20:33:15.746-07:002010-03-23T20:33:15.746-07:00Yes, and its a great album, too. Sandy Rothman, Je...Yes, and its a great album, too. Sandy Rothman, Jerry Garcia and the White Brothers drove across country together in about 1964.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-57702688205549712992010-03-23T20:14:31.430-07:002010-03-23T20:14:31.430-07:00To your point on the Garcia/Clarence White connect...To your point on the Garcia/Clarence White connection - <br />There's a Kentucky Colonels Live Compilation CD entitled "Livin' In The Past: Legendary Live Recordings" that kicks off with an introduction by Jerry Garcia.bRadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13085278326695599904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-40977926200273278922010-03-22T07:09:18.905-07:002010-03-22T07:09:18.905-07:00That makes perfect sense.That makes perfect sense.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-86327127733907826332010-03-21T21:50:15.018-07:002010-03-21T21:50:15.018-07:00Well, props to Gans for actually asking about it--...Well, props to Gans for actually asking about it--I didn't know anyone ever had. The part I find interesting about the Burritos is Sneaky Pete, because Jerry could have played all those songs on a Telecaster.<br /><br />Musicians as talented as the Dead could do a lot of things--play acoustic, play be-bop, play 12-tone music, you name it. To some extent the Dead were about the art of the possible, trying to execute what they thought they could pull off. My thesis about the Burritos is that Sneaky Pete made Garcia see that pedal steel guitar was a viable lead instrument for an electric rock band in a concert setting. Given that, its not surprising he decided to use the Bakersfield honky-tonk music that he'd been interested in for some time (as had Weir and David Nelson) as the vehicle for that sound.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-55092167253039043612010-03-21T21:25:19.924-07:002010-03-21T21:25:19.924-07:00David Gans posted some relevant information to Dea...David Gans posted some relevant information to DeadNetCentral in 2008, from an interview with Weir in January of that year:<br /><br />DG mentions the Burritos live set from '69 and asks "Was this encounter an influence on your foray into honky tonk music?"<br /><br />BW: "Not really; we'd been into that stuff since the beginning (Buck Owens, George Jones...) and it was just gonna come out sooner or later. Jerry and I had a bunch of country and gospel tunes we had worked up on days off on the road for fun, and when the Burritos came out, I think we were already doing these tunes in an an acoustic set here or there. That was why it seemed to us that they would be a good pairing with us."<br /><br />So this says that, rather than Burritos causing the interest in that sort of playing, the interest in that sort of music caused the pairing with the Burritos. The timing is not a coincidence, but the causal arrow seems to be the reverse of what you posit.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-32153911128866761592010-03-20T22:36:34.722-07:002010-03-20T22:36:34.722-07:00The Peter Grant point is an excellent one. As far ...The Peter Grant point is an excellent one. As far as I understand, steel guitar requires fingerpicking just like a banjo, which is why so many banjo players double or convert. It makes a lot of sense that Grant's conversion put the idea in Garcia's head, and following my hypothesis, seeing Sneaky Pete sealed the deal.<br /><br />Certainly Garcia was aware of what Clarence White was doing, as the Dead played with The Byrds many times. It also appears that Garcia was in the audience one of the times that The Byrds played the Ash Grove in 1970 (May or something, I'd have to look it up). <br /><br />Also, Clarence White was a big part of the Bakersfield sound in the 60s as a session musician (have you heard the cd Tuff And Stringy?), so that's another critical point of contact.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-40542356338296514272010-03-20T22:25:45.114-07:002010-03-20T22:25:45.114-07:00I've also noted that Garcia buying a pedal-ste...I've also noted that Garcia buying a pedal-steel one week after playing with the Flying Burritos probably wasn't a coincidence... <br /><br />It's somewhat unbelievable that on 4-26-69, Garcia would already be trying out the pedal-steel in a Dead show - for Silver Threads, naturally - only 2 weeks after buying it! (The only known time on that tour, actually.)<br /><br />A couple things I wonder about, though... <br />Garcia's friend Peter Grant had played pedal-steel on the studio version of Doin' That Rag. Don't know what the recording date was, but that experiment might have set some tumblers clicking in Garcia's head as well. (He may have been hanging out with other pedal-steel players, too.)<br /><br />Also, I've wondered what Clarence White's influence on Garcia would have been. Garcia would certainly have been familiar with White from his Kentucky Colonels bluegrass-flatpickin' days in the early '60s; but in mid-'68 White joined the Byrds with his new electric string-bender guitar - the intent was to make electric guitar solos sound like pedal-steel playing. <br />The album to check out is the Byrds live at the Fillmore in Feb '69 - it's very similar territory to what the Flying Burritos were covering (White even sat in at Burritos shows now & then), and the Dead certainly took some cues from that post-Bakersfield trend. (All three bands, for instance, did Sing Me Back Home.) It's hard to believe Garcia wouldn't have been paying close attention to what White was doing.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com