tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post9153191473359870864..comments2024-03-25T06:33:12.809-07:00Comments on Lost Live Dead: Hooteroll--When Was It Recorded?Corry342http://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-69084099409130032852021-06-09T18:19:19.194-07:002021-06-09T18:19:19.194-07:00God, I wish!God, I wish!Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-7040759897237374302021-06-09T07:03:53.783-07:002021-06-09T07:03:53.783-07:00Anybody have any leads on Doris Dynamite? My mom w...Anybody have any leads on Doris Dynamite? My mom was friendly with her back in the Alan Douglas days and at almost 90 is looking to reconnect. Thanks.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13088406890175377879noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-51212702808438666602020-05-14T20:08:35.965-07:002020-05-14T20:08:35.965-07:00Any news on this material?Any news on this material?Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-87412945965807017452020-05-14T20:05:18.847-07:002020-05-14T20:05:18.847-07:00One of the music columnists for the Examiner repor...One of the music columnists for the Examiner reported in the 11/7/70 issue (p. 10) that "Grateful Dead's Jerry Garcia and Howard Wales wrapped up an album session at Wally Heider Studios". Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-58144286934388689042019-03-14T13:16:51.860-07:002019-03-14T13:16:51.860-07:00Over 50 minutes of unheard and amazing jams from t...Over 50 minutes of unheard and amazing jams from the original Hooteroll recording sessions has been located in the Garcia family archives and will hopefully enjoy a release very soon, the vault also contains a second night of Jerry, Howard and John Kahn jamming at the Matrix from 1970. In addition to these treasures over seventy minutes from 1/29/72 from Buffalo during the brief east coast Hooteroll tour has also been located and will hopefully be made available.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06713767295032369364noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-23145343178591468812016-07-01T04:31:23.238-07:002016-07-01T04:31:23.238-07:00Hi I was wondering should this disc have both Labe...Hi I was wondering should this disc have both Labels and cat# on the Release at discogs?<br />Douglas KZ 30859<br />Columbia Records KZ 30859 Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07180102791146446285noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-61267161635504333862011-09-17T19:27:16.645-07:002011-09-17T19:27:16.645-07:00I have been going through an incredible interview ...I have been going through an incredible interview with Garcia from ca. late October 1970 (1), that has him saying "I just finished a record with Howard Wales."<br /><br />Maybe we already knew that, but I can't keep track of the various posts and comments, so thought I'd post what I found from the horse's mouth.<br /><br />Reference:<br />(1) Goodwin, Michael. 1971. Jerry Garcia at 700 MPH: Incidental Music at the Celebration of Life. <i>Flash</i> 0: 32-39, quote from p. 35.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-22723400229800640962011-04-10T08:15:26.611-07:002011-04-10T08:15:26.611-07:00Ihave spent an hour or two huntil out my copies of...Ihave spent an hour or two huntil out my copies of the album with no luck. However, it seemed appropriate to at least add the review of the album from the Arizona Republic (19710926): <br /><br />Hooteroll? Howard Wales and Jerry Garcia, <br />Douglas 5 (KZ 30859)<br /><br />This is soap opera jazz done on the organ, rock style. There's nothing else like this music — since the old radio days of Nick Carter - Sam Spade serials — or the red dust jacket with the buxom blonde on the cover.The Yellow Sharkhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17001772238662274893noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-31488922701383479642011-04-09T22:52:25.677-07:002011-04-09T22:52:25.677-07:00LIA, this is great research--it was fun while it l...LIA, this is great research--it was fun while it lasted to imagine an alternate release of Hooteroll.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-84952458768904676502011-04-09T20:09:08.556-07:002011-04-09T20:09:08.556-07:00I mentioned in one of my posts above (1/13/11) tha...I mentioned in one of my posts above (1/13/11) that Hooteroll was definitely available for sale in September '71.<br /><br />I notice the discogs site lists both the catalog numbers (DGL69013 and KZ30859) - their info that the first release was in 1970 is quite bogus, though, as mastering for the album wasn't completed til June '71, as we saw here: <br />http://jgmf.blogspot.com/2011/01/hooteroll-next-part.html <br /><br />I looked at the catalog numbers for some other Douglas releases of the time: <br />Last Poets (Douglas 3) - Z 30811<br />Lenny Bruce (reissue of Douglas 2) - KZ 30872<br />Music of El Topo (Douglas 6) - KZ 30920<br />McLaughlin, Devotion (Douglas 4) - KZ 31568, but also a UK release of DGL 65075 (and some other European variants)<br />McLaughlin, My Goal's Beyond - KZ 30766, but also a UK release of DGL 69014 (and DGL 64537 in the Netherlands)<br />Hooteroll - KZ 30859 in the US, and DGL 69013 in the UK<br /><br />Not to be exhaustive about it, but I think it's simply a matter of different catalog numbers for different countries. (And discog's 1970 entry for Hooteroll is an error.)Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-50024781376960414172011-04-09T17:58:18.365-07:002011-04-09T17:58:18.365-07:00Even if the album was just reassigned from Douglas...Even if the album was just reassigned from Douglas to CBS, and the number just represents an accounting change, its still intriguing (my copy has the CBS number KZ30859 also). I wonder if anyone actually has a copy with the Douglas number?<br /><br />Given all the intrigue involving Jerry, the New Riders and Columbia, I can't believe the number change was irrelevant. Maybe the financing of Douglas Records changed, and the album was "re-integrated" back into Columbia, and that may have accounted for the delay.Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-68521873819485920632011-04-09T17:49:35.324-07:002011-04-09T17:49:35.324-07:00This is very curious indeed Corry. Not sure if you...This is very curious indeed Corry. Not sure if you came across the Rolling Stone review in your research, but by the tone of it, it appears as if it was out before the review was published on Nov 11th 1971. http://www.rollingstone.com/music/albumreviews/hooteroll-19711111bRadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13085278326695599904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-28861754352751793022011-04-09T16:09:03.879-07:002011-04-09T16:09:03.879-07:00Brad, this is an amazing detail--god, what if ther...Brad, this is an amazing detail--god, what if there were two releases of Hooteroll? Or put another way, from an accounting point of view, there were definitely two releases as far as the record company was concerned, but why? And were there any differences between the releases?<br /><br />It was not at all unheard of for record companies to release an album more than once, with a different mix. This is such great information...all Hooteroll, all the time!Corry342https://www.blogger.com/profile/08049035074121231425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-62710816176268035812011-04-09T15:46:25.122-07:002011-04-09T15:46:25.122-07:00I've always loved me some Hooteroll?, so I hav...I've always loved me some Hooteroll?, so I have found this discussion particularly intriguing. In fact it inspired me to pick up a near mint copy of the Ryko release on vinyl a couple of months back. Then again today, I stopped by the same record store, which BTW I hadn't been to since the latest visit and lo and behold, there in the bin is a Douglas 5 copy of it with a "Promotion - Not For Sale" sticker on the back. Well needless to say I couldn't resist it for $17.99, when it could potentially hold a clue as to when Hooteroll? was recorded. After taking it home and doing some careful examination, I can see no date anywhere on the record or packaging. I don't think I had ever seen the original with the gate-fold photo of Garcia and Whales holding a Scientific American up and the joint passing photo on the back. The red Douglas label is also kinda cool, the vinyl also near mint, so all in all glad I swiped it up. When searching the web for catalog numbers however I did notice that Discogs lists one version as being released in 1970 with a different catalog number of Douglas 5, DGL 69013. The one I scored is KZ30859. Not sure if this means anything, but in my experience discogs is a pretty solid database. Perhaps it was released in a smaller run in 1970? I look forward to this story unfolding some more, thanks again to all involved for investigating these very important matters. <br /><br />http://www.discogs.com/Jerry-Garcia-Howard-Wales-Hooteroll/master/322011bRadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13085278326695599904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-16061124900455952152011-02-18T13:05:52.728-08:002011-02-18T13:05:52.728-08:00Yeah, I don't think they strained too much for...Yeah, I don't think they strained too much for accuracy in those liner notes...probably just a brief conversation with Douglas and that wrapped up the "research". <br />(I love, though, how in praising Garcia the notes make the rest of the Dead sound like a bunch of burnt-out unmusical nobodies who weren't right for him...only with Wales' band could he truly shine!) <br /><br />How I wish they'd included a whole bonus disc of the Providence show rather than just two tracks....sigh... Maybe that'll be in the deluxe 2021 50th-anniversary reissue.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-50103400330451541912011-02-18T05:35:19.254-08:002011-02-18T05:35:19.254-08:00When I saw the Jellyroll Troy was identified as &#...When I saw the Jellyroll Troy was identified as 'Torres' (also on the back cover), it struck me that this whole re-issue is kind of penumbral, which kind of reinforced one of Corry's original points, that there was a late of possibly-intentional obscurity around the whole thing.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-68868603051186164202011-02-17T20:32:20.824-08:002011-02-17T20:32:20.824-08:00OK, here's the story in the liner notes of the...OK, here's the story in the liner notes of the new Hooteroll reissue: <br /><br />"In 1970 producer Alan Douglas and Jerry Garcia were hanging out with friends at photographer Ron Rakow's house in Marin County. <br />Garcia told Douglas to come down to the club to hear him play with jazz organist Wales: 'Great music, you'll have a good time.'<br /><br />The following Monday, Douglas showed up at the club. <br />He later said: 'I never heard Jerry play so good.'<br /><br />After the first set, Garcia sat down with Douglas.<br />JG: How'd you like it? <br />AD: Great. Let's record it. <br />JG: Are you serious?<br /><br />Douglas went to his old friend Joe Smith, the vice-president of Warner Brothers Records, and told him the story. Smith, who could have contractually prevented the project, said: 'Do it.'<br /><br />The next couple of months were spent recording the Hooteroll album at the CBS studios in San Francisco. Released on the Douglas Music label in 1971, the album had considerable visibility...<br /><br />As is usual in the music business, producer Douglas asked Wales & Garcia if they'd like to do a Hooteroll tour to support the record. They agreed. Douglas paired them in concert with John McLaughlin, who was also on the Douglas Music label. The bands did ten dates together. 'Jelly Roll' Torres (aka Roger Troy) put a tour-band of old friends & bandmates together.<br /><br />The last gig was at the Palace Theatre, Providence, where the bonus tracks were recorded. <br />'She Used to Live Here', Jerry's vocal solo, was a spontaneous happening. We'll never know what possessed him to start singing. But the band fell in behind him, everybody got into it, and the tapes were going."Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-45331850172290384622011-01-15T06:41:44.390-08:002011-01-15T06:41:44.390-08:00That's a nice find, LIA. I keep committing to ...That's a nice find, LIA. I keep committing to myself to checking out Jackson and McNally before I post anything at all -- Jackson, especially, for non-GD stuff -- but it sometimes just doesn't seem to fit into the blogging rhythm.<br /><br />That story has tons of verisimilitude. There was definitely a dance between Jerry and the rest around how much and with whom he could play, record, etc. It's a testament to JG's loyalty to the GD that he'd let himself be constrained, even on the margin, by them.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-65007393542898802802011-01-15T01:09:39.461-08:002011-01-15T01:09:39.461-08:00And to throw a little more in the pot - a snippet ...And to throw a little more in the pot - a snippet from Blair Jackson: <br /><br />'An intended followup to Hooteroll never materialized, thanks in part to Dead envy, according to Wales. "I never got along with the rest of those guys. There was a lot of jealousy... The only person I was friends with was Jerry. In fact, they were very jealous over the fact that we did Hooteroll together."'<br /><br />Is there more info on this issue? I know in the Saunders years, Merl felt the rest of the Dead was suspicious of him for 'stealing' Jerry from them; and Richard Loren (Jerry's manager) said, "Even though no one would come out and say it, the Merl and Jerry Band became a little bit of a threat... There was a little uneasiness amongst the band members to accept it. They wanted Jerry all to themselves." <br /><br />So while I'd like to say that Wales was being paranoid, there may be something in what he says. It may or may not be coincidental that he stopped playing the Matrix shows with Jerry right around the same time he contributed to the American Beauty studio album. <br />(On the other hand, Jerry continued to be very supportive of Wales - although they didn't do any more studio recordings once Hooteroll was done, Jerry still went on that January '72 tour - the Dead were on a long tour break, so he had the opportunity.)Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-8339807315001309712011-01-14T12:59:14.848-08:002011-01-14T12:59:14.848-08:00Sraile - there's already a post here about the...Sraile - there's already a post here about the canceled Europe '68 tour! <br />http://lostlivedead.blogspot.com/2009/11/october-1968-grateful-dead-european.html <br />(I've discovered in the past, sometimes you turn up something exciting only to find that it's already been posted on here...)<br /><br />Now the Europe '71 tour was not just 'canceled', but bumped back to the next year...I'm not sure why the initial plans fell through - the Dead were, after all, able to play one show in France in June '71, so it would have been worth their while to play more. Pigpen went with them, so his ill health wasn't an issue yet. Perhaps lack of forthcoming Warners funds? - the Dead were able to "prove" themselves later in '71 with the success of the live album, and decided to finance the Europe '72 trip by recording another live album. (Though, alas, no film except for the Danish TV show.)<br /><br />The Dead's European tours in later years seem to have been rare because their crew did not like traveling to Europe!Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-64200237188442039592011-01-14T10:23:27.578-08:002011-01-14T10:23:27.578-08:00I am gathering information on the hits and misses ...I am gathering information on the hits and misses of the GD in Europe, that is, with some focus on the planned tours/gigs that never materialized. I plan on posting on it at some point. I think my email is linked to my profile, so I'd grateful receive (and credit) any information!)<br /><br />LIA, thanks for all of this information. Great stuff.Fate Musichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05648291938690043423noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-62055461967397497812011-01-14T08:42:30.273-08:002011-01-14T08:42:30.273-08:00LIA's discovery of the "Europe '71&qu...LIA's discovery of the "Europe '71" tour reminds me that I also discovered a reference to a planned "Europe '68" tour in a 1968 issue of Billboard. I don't have the details in front of me (this was years ago and I was more focused on John Lennon than the Dead), but that might be something nifty to turn up again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-39852167959396566242011-01-13T23:41:36.582-08:002011-01-13T23:41:36.582-08:00...and, pertaining to nothing in particular, I'......and, pertaining to nothing in particular, I'd like to report a "lost" show I saw mentioned in Billboard - at the Pacific Coliseum, Vancouver 1/23/71: <br />http://www.deadlists.com/posters/1970s/19710123.html <br />(The poster, oddly enough, shows the 1966-era Dead. But this promoter wasn't the only one out of date - some of the spring '71 posters show the 1969 Dead, with TC in the band!)<br /><br />Billboard (the 1/23/71 issue) said that after the little January run, the Dead would "take three weeks off and return to San Francisco to develop new material." <br />Which is exactly what they did! One of the few notable things about these January '71 shows is that the Dead DON'T preview the new songs featured in the Feb '71 run... <br /><br />Billboard also accurately reports the Dead's scheduled tours for March & April - and I can't help but quote the planned "Europe '71": <br />"In June the entire Dead Family (some 50 people) goes to Europe for a one month tour. They have rented six barges, each capable of carrying 15 people, and will travel where they can by water. One of the barges is a sound stage, and the bands will play as they travel down the canals of England and Holland. Tour also includes dates in France, Sweden and Germany, and the entire trip will be filmed for release as a full-length feature."Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-83812931834372360202011-01-13T22:52:58.093-08:002011-01-13T22:52:58.093-08:00Anyway - now that the dating issue has been cleare...Anyway - now that the dating issue has been cleared up - the place of Garcia's own solo album in the timeline becomes clearer. <br /><br />I don't know how early on he decided (or was urged) to record one himself (the January 23 '71 Billboard reports that he, the Dead's drummers, and Pigpen are all starting to think about solo albums - and also goes into much detail about their planned June '71 tour of Europe! - but not til July 17 '71 is it stated that he's recording his solo LP at Heider's amidst mixing the Dead's live album.) <br />But clearly Garcia's solo album followed months of sporadic, but continual, work in the studio with Crosby, PERRO, and Wales. While happy to be a sideman for others and prominently helping THEIR albums, he seems to have been reluctant to get started as a "solo" artist. (Had the Dead recorded a studio album in '71, we might not have had that first Garcia album...)<br /><br />His commitment to playing small Matrix shows with Wales is also striking. You would not expect him to be playing at the Matrix on, say, 7/6/70 or 10/26/70, but there he was...insatiable. One gets the impression of him rushing home in a tour break to dash to the nearest stage...Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5493557313410969282.post-29151692654656290192011-01-13T22:17:36.407-08:002011-01-13T22:17:36.407-08:00A glance at album reviews in old Billboards shows ...A glance at album reviews in old Billboards shows a review for Hooteroll in the Sep 11 '71 Billboard ("Garcia's name alone should sell this album"), and a review for "Music of El Topo" on Dec 18 '71.<br /><br />So the order of those albums is now positive. As well, it's now clear that Hooteroll was not released as late as December '71, as we thought. (The Sep 18 '71 issue lists it on sale for $4.98.)<br />Indeed, Billboard shows Hooteroll as #201 on the charts in their Oct 9 '71 issue (just above the Grateful Dead's live album!).<br /><br />So far from being delayed, we now know Hooteroll was finished around June '71 and released that September. <br /><br />(The July 10 '71 Billboard reports that "Fierro's Shades of Joy has just recorded an LP for Columbia", and by Sep 25 they mention that their 'music from El Topo' is due to be released. We know from JGMF's posts, though, that Billboard's not entirely to be trusted about recording dates.)<br /><br />There's also a little review of the Garcia/Wales Academy of Music show in the Feb 5 '72 Billboard issue, which notes that the audience was mainly there just to see Garcia...<br /><br />And as a further aside, the Feb 27 '71 issue has a little promo about Douglas Records that says upcoming product will include "Garcia-Wales", "an album by Grateful Dead leader Jerry Garcia with Douglas artist Howard Wales on piano" (!) and the soundtrack for El Topo (!! - planned as early as Feb '71, it seems). And the Nov 6 '71 issue has an interview with Alan Douglas about the music on his label.Light Into Asheshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06943335142002007213noreply@blogger.com